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Why moving Gordon isn't as high of a priority anymore
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:40 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:40 am
The most likely path to fix the roster imbalance has always been sign a SF with the MLE this offseason (it's a fairly deep FA class at 3&D SF compared to 2015) and clear enough cap space by moving Gordon to go after a center in 2015, pipe dream being Gasol, realistic top target being Asik. The primary reason we needed to dump Gordon no longer exists because we have Asik's bird rights.
Do I want to dump him still and rebalance the roster financially? Of course. And I certainly would prefer to move Gordon rather than lose Rivers or Ryno. But I no longer feel that letting Gordon live out his contract would threaten the future of the team. Crisis averted. Signing the right SF to the MLE is much more important now.
Do I want to dump him still and rebalance the roster financially? Of course. And I certainly would prefer to move Gordon rather than lose Rivers or Ryno. But I no longer feel that letting Gordon live out his contract would threaten the future of the team. Crisis averted. Signing the right SF to the MLE is much more important now.
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Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:51 am to TigerinATL
What SF are out there that would help that would sign for the MLE?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:55 am to TigerinATL
If only we could be as lucky to find another guy as good as Kawhi.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:55 am to rondo
(don't yell at me, I'm just naming unrestricted free agents)
Danny Granger
Trevor Ariza
Marvin Williams
Caron Butler.
Danny Granger
Trevor Ariza
Marvin Williams
Caron Butler.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:56 am to rondo
first one that comes to mind, who I think would fit well is Marvin Williams... PJ Tucker is also an interesting option
there are some guys out there like Ariza and Deng who will command more than the MLE
Want nothing to do with Evan Turner, Mike Miller, or Granger
there are some guys out there like Ariza and Deng who will command more than the MLE
Want nothing to do with Evan Turner, Mike Miller, or Granger
Posted on 6/27/14 at 7:58 am to TigerinATL
If we can't re-sign morrow, we're actually pretty thin with SGs that can shoot.
EG might be a shell of his former self, but he's still a better shooter than Reke and can get to the basket pretty well. The only issue is, he gets hammered and the refs swallow their whistles 9/10 times.
I rather keep him than trade him and have to give up rivers/ryno for peanuts.
EG might be a shell of his former self, but he's still a better shooter than Reke and can get to the basket pretty well. The only issue is, he gets hammered and the refs swallow their whistles 9/10 times.
I rather keep him than trade him and have to give up rivers/ryno for peanuts.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:01 am to chesty
quote:
Trevor Ariza
Would welcome him back with open arms.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:01 am to TigerinATL
Is Danny Granger even a remote possibility with what we have to work with?
eta: he is from nola, juss sayin
eta: he is from nola, juss sayin
This post was edited on 6/27/14 at 8:02 am
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:02 am to TigerinATL
quote:
The primary reason we needed to dump Gordon no longer exists because we have Asik's bird rights.
Please explain the "bird rights" thing to me and how this relates to being able to resign Asik after his contract expires next offseason? Thanks a ton! Appreciate all you do for this board.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:04 am to Mack
quote:
eta: he is from nola, juss sayin
hes also 31 with no knees
You can bring him in for veteran leadership, and 15 minutes off the bench... but expecting him to be a starting SF isnt realistic
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:14 am to rondo
quote:
What SF are out there that would help that would sign for the MLE?
Top Targets:
- Trevor Ariza (if he doesn't get overpaid by the Wizards, he'll probably be available for the MLE)
- PJ Tucker (Phoenix would probably need to get a big money FA like Deng for Tucker to be available)
- Martel Webster (Demps' top target last year, would have to do a S&T of $3.5 million worth of Smith, Aminu or Brian Roberts to get him though)
Veterans that would be good enough:
- Thabo Sefolosha - good enough on defense, questionable as to whether we'd get the adequate 3 pt shooters he's been in the past or the bad one he was last year
- Marvin Williams - Some people don't like him because he's just average at everything, but all we need from this position is an adequate role player.
1 year stop gaps:
- Richard Jefferson
- Caron Butler
Career underachievers that still have potential:
- Brandon Rush
- Wesley Johnson
- Jordan Hamilton
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:19 am to Tigersfan
quote:
Please explain the "bird rights" thing to me and how this relates to being able to resign Asik after his contract expires next offseason?
The NBA has a soft cap meaning there are many exceptions you can use to exceed the salary cap. Bird Rights are an exception that allow you to go over the cap to keep your own free agents. So if Asik was Houston's free agent in 2015 and we still had Gordon on the roster and were over the cap, we would only be able to offer him the MLE (about $5 million per year). But trading for him means he would be our free agent and we could use Bird Rights to offer him the max if we wanted to.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:20 am to TigerinATL
I'd be interested in acquiring Webster. PJ Tucker could be a decent option.
After that...ug. Some pretty rough targets out there.
After that...ug. Some pretty rough targets out there.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:36 am to Fun Bunch
Isn't denver still loaded with SFs?
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:39 am to TigerinATL
Granger -- no, he's an end of the bench guy now
Ariza -- most likely, and should garner more than the MLE.
Caron Butler -- injury history, he's 34 now and you can't sign him to the length of an MLE deal. Too risky.
It comes down to Marvin Williams or Thabo Sefalosha for me, and I lean slightly to Williams.
Both have their questions, but you're going to get questions when you use the MLE. Theirs are just less riskier than the other available options in my eyes.
Ariza -- most likely, and should garner more than the MLE.
Caron Butler -- injury history, he's 34 now and you can't sign him to the length of an MLE deal. Too risky.
It comes down to Marvin Williams or Thabo Sefalosha for me, and I lean slightly to Williams.
Both have their questions, but you're going to get questions when you use the MLE. Theirs are just less riskier than the other available options in my eyes.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 8:46 am to TigerinATL
A few thoughts swirling around in my head:
1) I will be disappointed if they move Anderson before the season starts. Anderson, Asik, Davis is the best 3 man big rotation in the league and is only a $22M cap hit. At least see if you can make it work before moving on.
2) Realistically, this team is probably looking at a 45-55 wins for next season.
3) If the season is a success, they likely have to resign Asik. That bump plus Davis's looming max means the bigs aren't quite the bargain anymore. Expiring Anderson, assuming he comes back healthy and regains his value, would be the guy to move. Maybe try to package expiring Gordon with him.
4) If they like the 3 bigs as the core, then they could get radical and look to move Evans or Holiday. Not sure there is much of a market (how many teams really need a pg or a guard that can't shoot?) for either one but you never know.
1) I will be disappointed if they move Anderson before the season starts. Anderson, Asik, Davis is the best 3 man big rotation in the league and is only a $22M cap hit. At least see if you can make it work before moving on.
2) Realistically, this team is probably looking at a 45-55 wins for next season.
3) If the season is a success, they likely have to resign Asik. That bump plus Davis's looming max means the bigs aren't quite the bargain anymore. Expiring Anderson, assuming he comes back healthy and regains his value, would be the guy to move. Maybe try to package expiring Gordon with him.
4) If they like the 3 bigs as the core, then they could get radical and look to move Evans or Holiday. Not sure there is much of a market (how many teams really need a pg or a guard that can't shoot?) for either one but you never know.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:34 am to LosLobos111
quote:
Isn't denver still loaded with SFs?
They have a bunch of SGs SFs and PFs. Lots of swings.
Chandler and Gallo at SF.
Afflalo at SG.
And then a bunch of guys that are more Power Forwards but could play multiple spots like Jan Vesely, Quincy Miller, Randolph, Arthur, Faried.
Pretty interesting roster. I'd be REALLY interested to see if they are willing to sell low on Gallo after his injury plagued seasons, but I think they probably won't.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:43 am to TigerinATL
quote:
- Martel Webster (Demps' top target last year, would have to do a S&T of $3.5 million worth of Smith, Aminu or Brian Roberts to get him though)
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:47 am to SouthMSReb
That comes down to whether the Wiz are ready to move him. If they offer Ariza more than MLE-ish amounts, you have to think they'll try to move him.
Posted on 6/27/14 at 9:53 am to Fun Bunch
Just to be clear, I'm not saying we shouldn't try moving Gordon. McNamara tweeted a wishful thinking scenario a bit ago that we've talked about before where Stephenson leaving Indy means they take Gordon off our hands without sending much back. That's the ideal scenario because then you can do things like keep Rivers, have the cap room to absorb Martell Webster and use the MLE on Morrow.
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