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Including Mix Diskerud in the Starting XI
Posted on 6/19/14 at 9:43 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 9:43 pm
Given our lack of confident passing against Ghana, would it help to sacrifice Bedoya on the wing with a better passer in Mix. Jurgen could even shift Bradley into a deeper role where Beckerman currently resides.
Beckerman had a tremendous game getting stuck in and forcing Ghana's attackers to the flanks and shooting from distance. Unfortunately, his passing range limits us in possession, especially when playing alongside Jermaine Jones.
I thought Bedoya performed admirably considering he was asked to be a second rightback. Klinsmann is essentially playing him like James Milner's role for England.
Beckerman had a tremendous game getting stuck in and forcing Ghana's attackers to the flanks and shooting from distance. Unfortunately, his passing range limits us in possession, especially when playing alongside Jermaine Jones.
I thought Bedoya performed admirably considering he was asked to be a second rightback. Klinsmann is essentially playing him like James Milner's role for England.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 9:48 pm to thenry712
4 central midfielders is too much if you ask me.
Either Bedoya/Zusi on the wings or Bacon/Bedoya would be my preference.
Mix would come in around the 60th minute for whichever central player is playing the worst. That would be my tentative strategy. Also whichever of the three of Bacon, Zusi, and Bedoya isn't starting would get in.
Either Bedoya/Zusi on the wings or Bacon/Bedoya would be my preference.
Mix would come in around the 60th minute for whichever central player is playing the worst. That would be my tentative strategy. Also whichever of the three of Bacon, Zusi, and Bedoya isn't starting would get in.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 9:57 pm to thenry712
Portugal will not press us nearly as high and we'll have a lot more possession.
In fact, Portugal would love for us to be so comfortable in possession for periods of time, that some of our defenders move up the pitch....
In fact, Portugal would love for us to be so comfortable in possession for periods of time, that some of our defenders move up the pitch....
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:01 pm to thenry712
We already had 2 central mids that couldn't even keep possession vs Ghana. We don't need to add yet another shitty central mid. (IMO)
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:01 pm to Keys Open Doors
Mix has the most flair of any midfielder we've ever had, but my inclination is that Klinsmann will go for a more conservative lineup. If we need creativity he'll be one of the first off the bench, but I don't think Klinsmann trusts him to do the defensive work needed.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:02 pm to Tigerstark
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In fact, Portugal would love for us to be so comfortable in possession for periods of time, that some of our defenders move up the pitch....
Yep. Portugal thrives on exploiting space so they love it when opponents push too far up the field.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:03 pm to Keys Open Doors
As long as the formation allows for a fair bit of fluidity, including a central midfielder in a wide position doesn't really crowd out the midfield too much. We're essentially playing Jermaine Jones as a "wide" player in this extremely narrow diamond midfield.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:05 pm to thenry712
I would have liked Mix to come in fri Bradley if we had the subs available. I do not want to remove Beckman or Jones to insert Mix.
I really do not what to create, but I guess you could do a 4-3-1-2:
Johnson-Cameron-Besler-Beasley
Beckerman-Bradley-Jones
Mix
Demspey-Aron
Idk. I don't think we have an 11 I like with our current personnel.
I really do not what to create, but I guess you could do a 4-3-1-2:
Johnson-Cameron-Besler-Beasley
Beckerman-Bradley-Jones
Mix
Demspey-Aron
Idk. I don't think we have an 11 I like with our current personnel.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:10 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
same back 4
beckerman - jones
zusi - bradley - bedoya
dempsey
or
jones
zusi bedoya
bradley
dempsey johannson
beckerman - jones
zusi - bradley - bedoya
dempsey
or
jones
zusi bedoya
bradley
dempsey johannson
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:12 pm to Vicks Kennel Club
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Johnson-Cameron-Besler-Beasley
Beckerman-Bradley-Jones
Mix
Demspey-Aron
Portugal would eat this formation alive IF you're talking about a flat 3 in the midfield. It's hard to tell though lol. I would like to have Jones sitting deep just in front of the back line to keep Ronaldo and Co. from exploiting that space like they love to do.
Johnson-Cameron-Besler-Beasley
------------Jones
Bedoya ----Bradley----Zusi
------------Demspey
-------------Striker
Don't have a preference in the striker just someone that can hold possession.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:15 pm to RB10
The rule is simple: Never Start Two DMs!
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:17 pm to RB10
quote:
Johnson-Cameron-Besler-Beasley
------------Jones
Bedoya ----Bradley----Zusi
------------Demspey
-------------Striker
That formation would get worked by Portugal. Asking Jones to hold the midfield by himself without at least two partners is madness. It's better if we drop a second CM alongside the dedicated DM rather than asking Jones to hold by himself. Moutinho and Veloso would pass around our midfield with the quickness.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:18 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:
The rule is simple: Never Start Two DMs!
Since when, and what are we defining is as a DM?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:36 pm to crazy4lsu
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Asking Jones to hold the midfield by himself without at least two partners is madness.
What exactly do you consider Bradley in that formation? It isn't like he's going to be pressing way up the pitch and sitting right behind the attackers. It's virtually the same formation they played last game. Jones just takes Beckerman's spot as the holding mid and Zusi brings some attacking ability into the fold, which the US is going to need.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:43 pm to NOTORlOUSD
quote:
The rule is simple: Never Start Two DMs!
Wut?
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:44 pm to RB10
quote:
What exactly do you consider Bradley in that formation?
So you want to take a dedicated DM off the field and replace him with a wide midfielder when we are facing a team with superior technical talent all over the field, after it was shown we barely have the tactical ability to thwart a team of Ghana's technical ability? Taking off Beckerman and playing Jones there fundamentally changes the nature of the way we would play, since Jones's game is more expansive, which was used to good effect against Ghana.
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It isn't like he's going to be pressing way up the pitch and sitting right behind the attackers.
If we are playing a diamond midfield, that's exactly what he is supposed to do. The fact that he didn't was because we were being overrun in midfield. Bradley, Beckerman and Jones played extremely narrow, and in effect they played as a bank of three sitting directly in front of the CB's, with Bedoya tracking the runs of the Asamoah.
I'd rather we play Bob-ball against technically superior teams, and grind out chances, which is what we will have to do against both Portugal and Germany if we want to get results.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:47 pm to thenry712
Mix would have been beaten up vs Ghana and their physical style of play. We would also be sacrificing defense in putting Mix in over Bedoya.
Bedoya did a fine job and I dont get why we would take him off for Mix.
I like Mix a lot, same with Zusi. But I think they are better used as subs off the bench. Both are really creative, especially Zusi, and both bring energy, especially Mix.
Bedoya did a fine job and I dont get why we would take him off for Mix.
I like Mix a lot, same with Zusi. But I think they are better used as subs off the bench. Both are really creative, especially Zusi, and both bring energy, especially Mix.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:49 pm to crazy4lsu
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I'd rather we play Bob-ball against technically superior teams, and grind out chances, which is what we will have to do against both Portugal and Germany if we want to get results.
now that we have a win, i agree. a portugal tie is huge for us
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:52 pm to SlowFlowPro
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now that we have a win, i agree. a portugal tie is huge for us
I think we will get plenty of chances against Portugal with the same basic squad that we had against Ghana. Clearly we aren't on the level where we can get away from Bob-ball completely.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 10:53 pm to crazy4lsu
quote:
So you want to take a dedicated DM off the field and replace him with a wide midfielder when we are facing a team with superior technical talent all over the field, after it was shown we barely have the tactical ability to thwart a team of Ghana's technical ability?
This is exactly what I want them to do. If the Ghana game showed us anything it's that the US does not play well when sitting back. The defense held up well, and while Ghana's attackers are very good they aren't on the same level as Portugal's. If the US sits back and allows Portugal to constantly run at them they are going to lose.
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I'd rather we play Bob-ball against technically superior teams, and grind out chances, which is what we will have to do against both Portugal and Germany if we want to get results.
This is where we disagree. I think the US has looked best when being proactive and attacking, not sitting back any grinding. That's one of the reasons they brought in Klinsmann and let Bradley go was to to try and grow from the grind it out style he liked to play.
ETA: And maybe I'm jot too optimistic that the US can get away with a more attacking mindset now. I just want to see them play a better complete game then they did against Ghana. It was downright ugly outside of a stretches in that game.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 10:57 pm
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