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re: Including Mix Diskerud in the Starting XI
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:01 pm to crazy4lsu
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:01 pm to crazy4lsu
i thought we fricked up against ghana using jozy's sub on another F instead of a MF
and i don't think we can lose bedoya against portugal...we need him and fabian both to cover ronaldo in sync, and to have speed to exploit when contrao's backup fricks up. zusi is much less likely to keep up with ronaldo or help on a fast/streaking counter
4-2-3-1
bradley/beckerman back
jones playing that LCM/rover role, disrupting shite, covering for beasley/bradley, and pushing up here or there
bedoya on the right working with fabs
mix up top linking up with dempsey (or moving out wide left as an inverted AM if bradley is up) and trying to maintain possession
and i don't think we can lose bedoya against portugal...we need him and fabian both to cover ronaldo in sync, and to have speed to exploit when contrao's backup fricks up. zusi is much less likely to keep up with ronaldo or help on a fast/streaking counter
4-2-3-1
bradley/beckerman back
jones playing that LCM/rover role, disrupting shite, covering for beasley/bradley, and pushing up here or there
bedoya on the right working with fabs
mix up top linking up with dempsey (or moving out wide left as an inverted AM if bradley is up) and trying to maintain possession
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Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:01 pm to RB10
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If the Ghana game showed us anything it's that the US does not play well when sitting back.
Actually we played really well. Gyan had two headed chances, and he made the goal, but Ghana had literally no other goalmouth chances, only long shots from outside the 18. We had more goalmouth chances than Ghana did if my memory serves me right, with Dempsey's goal, Jones's shot that forced a save, Altidore's shot that was blocked, that one play when Aron played Bedoya through on the right side, and that last Dempsey chance on his left foot.
The problem was that Bradley played really poorly as the link between midfield to attack. He, in particular, was wasteful in possession, which made us all struggle. If his passing percentage improved, we would have had a slew more chances.
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This is where we disagree. I think the US has looked best when being proactive and attacking, not sitting back any grinding. That's one of the reasons they brought in Klinsmann and let Bradley go was to to try and grow from the grind it out style he liked to play.
We ground to a result against Ghana, and I honestly think it is tactically naive to remove a DM in Beckerman in place of a wide midfielder for the sake of chance creation. If we want to get the result we will play deep and grind out the results. We can easily open up the game if we need a goal.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:03 pm to SlowFlowPro
The issue is that Portugal must pressure and force the issue against us on Sunday, even with a depleted defense.
In all likelihood, we're going to be facing a situation similar to what we did against Ghana from the kickoff. Portugal need win the game and to erase goal differential.
In the absence of Jozy, we need someone who can quickly spring a counterattack with quick passing rather than lobbing up to a target man. That's why I think we should just overrun the midfield with as many possession players as possible, and give Bradley carte blanche going forward.
Bob Ball worked with Jozy outmuscling defenders and Charlie Davies pinning exploiting the space left by fullbacks who overcommitted themselves on the overlap. We don't have the personnel to play that game for another 90 minutes, because Johannsson can't play as the target and our entire attacking axis is now centered on Bradley dictating the tempo.
In all likelihood, we're going to be facing a situation similar to what we did against Ghana from the kickoff. Portugal need win the game and to erase goal differential.
In the absence of Jozy, we need someone who can quickly spring a counterattack with quick passing rather than lobbing up to a target man. That's why I think we should just overrun the midfield with as many possession players as possible, and give Bradley carte blanche going forward.
Bob Ball worked with Jozy outmuscling defenders and Charlie Davies pinning exploiting the space left by fullbacks who overcommitted themselves on the overlap. We don't have the personnel to play that game for another 90 minutes, because Johannsson can't play as the target and our entire attacking axis is now centered on Bradley dictating the tempo.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:04 pm to SlowFlowPro
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i thought we fricked up against ghana using jozy's sub on another F instead of a MF
Well we fricked up long before by not bringing a back up target man, since a targetman is absolutely essential for our game. Dempsey maybe can do it but I don't begrudge the choice in bringing on Aron. With a little more instruction he could have done better.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:05 pm to crazy4lsu
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The problem was that Bradley played really poorly as the link between midfield to attack. He, in particular, was wasteful in possession, which made us all struggle. If his passing percentage improved, we would have had a slew more chances.
This is a good point. Bradley playing like absolute dog shite really did jade me a bit, I think. It could be why I'm hoping to see more of an attacking stance going forward. I do stand by what I said before though. If the US doesn't put pressure on Portugal and just sits back and plays for the tie they will, most likely, lose IMO.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:08 pm to RB10
Well we have a high probability of losing anyway. We are facing one of the best players in the world and a team full of players that are better than ours. The best chance is to set up defensive and play on the break, since Portugal absolutely need to win and will play on the front foot from the beginning.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:08 pm to crazy4lsu
Wondo might have been a better option as a target because San Jose plays a very thuggish direct style of play. Granted, San Jose usually uses Alan Gordon or Steven Lenhart as the bully up front, Wondo isn't afraid to launch himself at centerbacks or even hold up play to allow the midfield to come forward.
He's gotten a fair share of criticism on here, but he's much more than a goal poacher for San José. John Terry of all people gave him the glowing reviews after chasing him during the MLS All Star game.
He's gotten a fair share of criticism on here, but he's much more than a goal poacher for San José. John Terry of all people gave him the glowing reviews after chasing him during the MLS All Star game.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:10 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:10 pm to crazy4lsu
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Well we have a high probability of losing anyway.
Meh. With a defense like they've got Portugal can lose to anyone at any given time. They do have for superior talent in the midfield, though.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:11 pm to thenry712
Wondo might be a good option, but I feel like Jurgen will maybe put Bacon up top to take advantage of his speed against Portugal's back line, which will have to be high.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:12 pm to thenry712
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Charlie Davies
Really wish he was still with the NT.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:15 pm to RB10
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Since when, and what are we defining is as a DM?
DMs: Jones, Beckerman, Edu, Danny Williams, sometimes Cameron
Both of our losses in the Hex came when we started two of those players. In both cases, we struggled holding posession and could have used an extra Bedoya/Zusi/Mix type player in the midfield.
Hon 2 USA 1 - Yes (Jones and Williams)
USA 1 CR 0 - No
Mex 0 USA 0 - No
Jam 1 USA 2 - No
USA 2 Pan 0 - No
USA 1 Hon 0 - No
CR 3 USA 1 - Yes (Cameron and Jones)
USA 2 Mex 0 - Yes (Beckerman and Jones)
USA 2 Jam 0 - No
Pan 2 USA 3 - No
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:16 pm to RB10
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Meh. With a defense like they've got Portugal can lose to anyone at any given time. They do have for superior talent in the midfield, though.
Well they have superior talent everywhere. And let's not pretend that Portugal have some sort of Swiss-cheese D. The only reason they lost like they did to Germany was because of Pepe's red. They probably still would have lost, but not the by the score that they did.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:24 pm to crazy4lsu
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And let's not pretend that Portugal have some sort of Swiss-cheese D. The only reason they lost like they did to Germany was because of Pepe's red. They probably still would have lost, but not the by the score that they did.
Eh...they weren't exactly lighting it up and were already down 2-0 and pepe went off.
Their d isn't terrible but it isn't necessarily good either.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:27 pm to Srbtiger06
plus they needed some luck to even qualify for the cup, iirc
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:28 pm to Srbtiger06
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Eh...they weren't exactly lighting it up and were already down 2-0 and pepe went off.
Their d isn't terrible but it isn't necessarily good either.
Looking at their last twenty or so games, they usually give up goals to teams that are better or equal to them. We are not better than they are. That doesn't mean we can't or won't score. We will definitely have chances, but we aren't facing Ghana's D, which was supremely porous.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:29 pm to SlowFlowPro
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plus they needed some luck to even qualify for the cup, iirc
They had to go to the playoff, but they had only 1 loss in qualifying and gave up 9 goals in ten games. When you look at the group they played it, 9 is a slightly high number, but they are as Jekyll and Hyde team as there is in the cup.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:30 pm to crazy4lsu
i'm honestly not THAT worried about them b/c of no contrao/pepe (Esp contrao)
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:32 pm to crazy4lsu
They have great players but not great depth. Andre Almeida and Ricardo Costa don't scare me.
The key to the game will be if Bradley plays like his usual self. If he does, I like our chances to go for a favorable result. A draw would be awesome.
The key to the game will be if Bradley plays like his usual self. If he does, I like our chances to go for a favorable result. A draw would be awesome.
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
I wish I could share your confidence. We aren't at that level yet where I can write off a good team just because of some key injuries. And they still have one of the best players in the world.
This post was edited on 6/19/14 at 11:33 pm
Posted on 6/19/14 at 11:32 pm to crazy4lsu
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We are not better than they are. That doesn't mean we can't or won't score. We will definitely have chances, but we aren't facing Ghana's D, which was supremely porous.
Ghana could do what Portugal can't. "Out physical" us. Not saying we can destroy Portugal, but they aren't near as athletic or physical as Ghana was. Plus they've been hit hard with injury/cards. I think we'll have more attacking success with them than we did against Ghana. Maybe not more goals, but opportunities.
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