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Brandin Cooks v. Kenny Vaccaro
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:48 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:48 am
Sorry if this has been discussed but I went back 10 pages....
Who will have the better rookie campaign? Think it'll be damn near impossible to top what Kenny did last year, but I could also see Cooks as OROY.
Who will have the better rookie campaign? Think it'll be damn near impossible to top what Kenny did last year, but I could also see Cooks as OROY.
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Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:54 am to chilge1
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Sorry if this has been discussed but I went back 10 pages....
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Who will have the better rookie campaign? Think it'll be damn near impossible to top what Kenny did last year, but I could also see Cooks as OROY.
I have a feeling Cooks will have a bigger impact. They didn't trade up 7 spots to develop him. They felt he was ready, and he was difference maker.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 11:56 am
Posted on 5/29/14 at 11:57 am to chilge1
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Who will have the better rookie campaign? Think it'll be damn near impossible to top what Kenny did last year, but I could also see Cooks as OROY.
It will be tough for Cooks bc Brees spreads the ball around so much. But if you want to include post season and Cooks can play the 4 games that Vaccaro couldn't then he may have a better Rookie season.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:32 pm to Noplacelikehome
True about Drew spreading the ball around but that's because his favorite receiver is the open receiver. If Cooks can consistently get open because of his abilities, he should consistently get targets and have a chance to make an impact
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:35 pm to BRL79
Drew spreads the ball, but Jimmy Graham and Marques Colston never have trouble getting catches and yards. Sproles too for that matter.
The "spread the ball" motiff IMO pertains more to fringe players like Henderson, Meachem, and Moore.
The "spread the ball" motiff IMO pertains more to fringe players like Henderson, Meachem, and Moore.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:38 pm to chilge1
True mostly due to whom Drew has trust in. Colston and Graham don't have to be open for Drew to trust throwing them the ball. The rest must gain separation in order to get targets. Lance Moore learned that last year when he was virtually invisible.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:44 pm to chilge1
Similarly to Vaccaro being versatile, Cooks is as well.
Kenny was asked to do a lot; he played basically every position outside of D line. He was a major factor in this defense becoming very, very good. I can't stress enough how impressed I was with him. I also will gladly say again that I was wrong about him. I wanted Jarvis Jones, and was pretty upset with the pick. I got over it within a few hours and started to embrace the guy like I would with any player on the Saints and I looked at the potential positives; possible upgrade over Jenkins and Harper for example. He and Kennan Lewis were incredible, and bringing in Byrd will only help both of them. My pants are getting tight just thinking about it.
Cooks has the potential to have a similar kind of impact. With Sproles gone he will see plenty of those looks and touches. I think he will be a Percy Harvin/Randall Cobb type of player in this offense. Wouldn't surprise me to see him with around 15-25 carries as well. I think he will end up with around 100-150 yards rushing, and around 600-800 receiving yards. He will be a dynamic player in this offense and a huge boost to what was starting to becoming a predictable scheme.
The offense is already good, but Cooks will certainly help it. He very well could be the missing piece to make it reach that 2009/2011 level of production again. Vaccaro helped turn one of the worst defenses of all time into one of the best in the league. I'm not sure if Cooks can have as massive of an impact, but he will definitely be a major factor.
Kenny was asked to do a lot; he played basically every position outside of D line. He was a major factor in this defense becoming very, very good. I can't stress enough how impressed I was with him. I also will gladly say again that I was wrong about him. I wanted Jarvis Jones, and was pretty upset with the pick. I got over it within a few hours and started to embrace the guy like I would with any player on the Saints and I looked at the potential positives; possible upgrade over Jenkins and Harper for example. He and Kennan Lewis were incredible, and bringing in Byrd will only help both of them. My pants are getting tight just thinking about it.
Cooks has the potential to have a similar kind of impact. With Sproles gone he will see plenty of those looks and touches. I think he will be a Percy Harvin/Randall Cobb type of player in this offense. Wouldn't surprise me to see him with around 15-25 carries as well. I think he will end up with around 100-150 yards rushing, and around 600-800 receiving yards. He will be a dynamic player in this offense and a huge boost to what was starting to becoming a predictable scheme.
The offense is already good, but Cooks will certainly help it. He very well could be the missing piece to make it reach that 2009/2011 level of production again. Vaccaro helped turn one of the worst defenses of all time into one of the best in the league. I'm not sure if Cooks can have as massive of an impact, but he will definitely be a major factor.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 12:50 pm to CocoLoco
If he stays healthy all year and does in fact take over Sproles receiving role PLUS his traditional receiver role he could have around 100 catches. Look how many Sproles had and didn't run many deep or intermediate routes like Cooks will add.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:17 pm to chilge1
Cooks is going to run away with rookie of the year. This is a fact.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:24 pm to chilge1
Vaccaro had one of the best rookie campaigns for the Saints that I've seen in a while. His versatility and ability to fill holes in every defensive position short of d-line is extraordinary.
Cooks may have the more flashy numbers when it's all said and done, but Vaccaro was a major factor in our defense's turnaround last year. Unless Cooks goes for something crazy like 1000+ yards and 10+ TD's, he's not touching KV
Cooks may have the more flashy numbers when it's all said and done, but Vaccaro was a major factor in our defense's turnaround last year. Unless Cooks goes for something crazy like 1000+ yards and 10+ TD's, he's not touching KV
Posted on 5/29/14 at 2:43 pm to 4thandinches
Agreed, but the good thing is that Cooks definitely has the potential to get those numbers. If Lance Moore can, with Cooks superior athletic abilities he definitely can if he gains Drews trust and can run routes like Lance. That being said, Vaccaro was our key defensive player last year at times on a top 5 defense.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:17 pm to chilge1
I love being excited about new players too, but we all need to take a step back on anointing Cooks as OROY and HOF inductee until he actually graduates school and puts on a uniform.
Seriously, you should be having a real debate on whether his numbers will be better than Kenny Stills last year.
Seriously, you should be having a real debate on whether his numbers will be better than Kenny Stills last year.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:23 pm to Suntiger
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:39 pm to sicboy
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but I could also see Cooks as OROY.
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They didn't trade up 7 spots to develop him. They felt he was ready, and he was difference maker.
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Similarly to Vaccaro being versatile, Cooks is as well.
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Cooks has the potential to have a similar kind of impact. With Sproles gone he will see plenty of those looks and touches. I think he will be a Percy Harvin/Randall Cobb type of player in this offense.
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I think he will end up with around 100-150 yards rushing, and around 600-800 receiving yards. He will be a dynamic player in this offense and a huge boost to what was starting to becoming a predictable scheme.
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I'm not sure if Cooks can have as massive of an impact, but he will definitely be a major factor.
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If he stays healthy all year and does in fact take over Sproles receiving role PLUS his traditional receiver role he could have around 100 catches.
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Cooks is going to run away with rookie of the year. This is a fact.
quote:quote:Cooks definitely has the potential to get those numbers. If Lance Moore can, with Cooks superior athletic abilities he definitely can if he gains Drews trust
Unless Cooks goes for something crazy like 1000+ yards and 10+ TD's, he's not touching KV
Seriously. They guy hasn't put on the jersey yet and people are giving him 1,000 yards and ROY already. People don't remember that Meachem was a first round pick and barely played.
I'm not saying I think that's the case, but lets wait until training camp before we start talking about OROY and record setting numbers.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:42 pm to Suntiger
You should take every one of those posts seriously because they are all very serious.
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:45 pm to Brageous
Posted on 5/29/14 at 3:59 pm to Suntiger
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Seriously. They guy hasn't put on the jersey yet and people are giving him 1,000 yards and ROY already. People don't remember that Meachem was a first round pick and barely played.
Wasn't that because of a knee injury? I forget. It was a few years back..
Anyway, thought it was a legitimate comparison between this and last years 1st rounders.
The guy had 100 catches last year for OSU and ran a 4.33. That doesn't scream 1st round bust to me. And I don't see much wrong with those quotes other than "running away with" OROY. Who honestly saw Eddie Lacey coming last year?
Posted on 5/29/14 at 4:36 pm to Suntiger
Well, I was very careful to include the words "could" and "potential" in my statements wasn't I? Geez! I'm not prophesizing the coming of the messiah or something, relax.
This post was edited on 5/29/14 at 4:40 pm
Posted on 5/29/14 at 5:21 pm to Suntiger
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I love being excited about new players too, but we all need to take a step back on anointing Cooks as OROY and HOF inductee until he actually graduates school and puts on a uniform.
Seriously, you should be having a real debate on whether his numbers will be better than Kenny Stills last year.
I see your point and agree Cooks v's Stills would be a better debate.
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People don't remember that Meachem was a first round pick and barely played.
Not the same thing at all. Meach was a wtf pick with an injury. Cooks has potential out the wazoo. He is a student of the game, much like Vaccaro.
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I'm not saying I think that's the case, but lets wait until training camp before we start talking about OROY and record setting numbers.
I hear ya, but I thought it was discussion worthy. It's the off-season and Cooks could be that missing piece to an already potent offense. I think he will be as important to our offense as Vaccaro was to the defense. ROY, not so much, but he will be a difference maker. Defenses will have to respect his speed. When defenses pay too much attention to him it will open it up for everyone else. So he may not get the stats, but he will impact the game.
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