re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

Episode 3X16
OS


Apparently, Jacob gave Hurley some time off to learn from Walter how to be a better boss through pharmaceuticals. Not much else to do but wake and bake on the Island now that smokey is gone.



Nice opening for what appears to be a monster of the week. I somewhat remember this one.

Who can blame Peter for wanting to avoid a street fair, but lying to Olivia so he can play with the data from his MURDER DISCS is going to bite him on the arse if he doesn't watch out.

The guy who got away sure isn't a great criminal. Who wears a mask to conceal identity only to take it off when people are around?


This moron in the first movie. About 20 times.


The moment Cameron learned how to defy gravity.


The moment Winston sang Defying Gravity.

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This smiling is kind of freaking me out

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WTF! Why say that? Peter dodged a bullet there. He is lucky Olivia didn't go back to being pissed at Peter.

So shapeshifters from alternate dimensions and million year old civilizations burying technology are fine but Olivia dismisses aliens immediately.


Lets take a moment to understand the flawed motive of Bad Guy of the Week. He is making cripples lighter, but what does that have to do with paralyzation? They still wouldn't be able to feel or move their legs. Sure it would make it easier for them to pull themselves around but I don't see that the quality of life would be remarkably better. So he killed all of those people to make it a bit easier for his paralyzed son to move about. Nice.


And so it begins! The arrival of old croaking voiced Olivia

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Episode 3X17
Stowaway

Back to back episodes with Losties.


So we are to believe she drank the magnets but didn't pass them since she visited Bell? In this case, we would have been better off with no explanation.

What exactly does Peter think he could do if Bell decided to stay forever?

By the way, on my first watch, I complained about people sometimes having no REAL reaction to crazy events on this show, and I was mocked for being wrong.

Bell and Walter just PROVED the afterlife. Months after his death Bell's consciousness was brought back. There probably isn't a more important mind shattering event on this show and yet they are standing around and discussing the event like they would discuss a boring episode of CSI:Miami.

Just think about it. Months later a person could re-enter a new host body. We would go straight from Stem Cell bans to allowing full grown clones in an instant if we knew we could essentially live forever in a clone host. This really is a life altering event for all on mankind and nobody is excited.

I already hated the Bellivia voice but this time since I remember hating the Bellivia voice, it now seems to be amplified. Olvia is almost unwatchable.



Wearing a turtleneck to hide her old man neck.

What perversions did Bell get up to since Olivia's consciousness is asleep? Similar to the SGU rape stones?



Ha! Astrid knows what I am talking about. She just buttoned up her blouse.

Nice to see Lincoln a tad incredulous to the soul vampire theorem however, since he is the one who said she can't be killed he really shouldn't be so incredulous.

They cheated here. There is no Azrael story in the bible and nothing that matches the story the nun just told even in the Apocrypha.

So nobody on the train noticed a bag left under the seat. More shoddy train security.

So Lincoln quickly went from incredulous about Soul Vampires to postulating Soul Hitchhikers.

Did I miss something? Didn't she appear dead when she was shot in the head when her family was murdered? Why do they just assume she is really dead this time. Maybe given the damage, it will take time for her body to heal. Now they will bury her where she may be trapped to live out eternity in a coffin. That sure would suck.

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Episode 3X18
Bloodline

Easy smile is back.

Really? They inject her with who the heck knows what into her fetus but then give her a PILL to put her back to sleep. No thoughts that she would SPIT THE PILL OUT! Weak writing. Just giving her pills for no other reason than to allow her to escape later. Do pills even knock a person out in a short period of time?


Bubbles is back.

I have a problem with MOTIVE again on this one. What was Walter's motive to rush the pregnancy? I don't see anything from the alternate universe that shows imminent destruction. Why would Walter risk his grandchild with such a risky procedure?

So they can treat Spider Blood and Burnt Off Faces, but they can't treat eclampsia which is actually treatable for the mother in our little universe?

Does Bubbles know anything about birthing babies?

Dear lord! Don't ever look for animated pictures for Don't Know Nuthin About Birthin Babies from Gone with the Wind. That wasn't pretty!

Boy, those ambulances in the alternate universe sure are slow. Lincoln and Bubbles got there but an ambulance can't. Yes I know, Bubbles knew a secret shortcut through China Town.



Would they really send one of the same Evil Doctors into Olivia's room to get the blood sample? Once again, what is the rush? Are events happening more often over there? I sure didn't notice panic from the Alternate Fringe Division.

I didn't hate any of these three episodes, but also didn't love them.

I'm still catching up, I have a midterm on Wednesday hopefully I can be caught up by Thursday. I wish it was Christmas break already

I normally watch them on Sundays around the Saints, but I went and played golf yesterday and didn't have time. Hopefully tonight I'll be able to..at least a couple of them.

I'm here. Watched them all last night and will post my comments shortly.

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did this show air after Lost was done?

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This episode was after Lost was done. I think Lost ended in 2010.

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the bellivia voice wasn't that bad, but this is worth it to set up the inception style episode near the end of the season. One of the best episodes of the entire show.

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Yes, it is bad.

She could have used Bell's mannerism without the croaky voice which makes no sense. People don't purposely have a croaky voice. It changes over time, thus Olivia's younger vocal chords shouldn't be making that sound. The Turtleneck is all we needed to know it was Bell.

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will post my comments shortly.

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What is Peter working on that he is hiding so much? People know he's interested in the machine...does he have to lie about that?

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Because he was working with the shifter discs from the murdered shifters. I guess he was afraid of what Olivia would think of him murdering shifters.

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I love how Walter was reading all about soul magnets and all that kind of shite, but the answer was as simple as ringing a bell

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It still required Olivia to have swallowed magnets which somehow stayed in her body for a year or however long ago she visited Bell.

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Man, Bellivia is horrible

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Yes, it is.

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So she cares about people but doesn't try to save the train?

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Not sure she actually cared about people. The whole point with the suicide hotline was to find people who were going to off themselves no matter what, so she could join them.

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Seems like they could get someone to agree to that, or a freshly dead body or something...this is Fringe, for chrissakes.

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Coma patient with a healthy body. Seems perfect for Bell.

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but you just give her the pill and assume she swallowed it?

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Weak writing as I said. They needed it to be a pill so she would be able to escape.

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I don't remember at all from my first watch what happens with the baby boy in the altverse. Hopefully that doesn't just get forgotten.

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Me too. Can't remember what happens here. Not sure why Walternate doesn't just tell Peter he now has a son and should hope over to their universe. Seems like a good thing to at least try.

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So Walternate and the Observers are working together now? Interesting..

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I didn't take from the episode that they were working together, just the observer stating it had begun.

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Because he was working with the shifter discs from the murdered shifters. I guess he was afraid of what Olivia would think of him murdering shifters.

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Yeah, I had forgotten that that hadn't come out yet about him being the killer of the shifters. Makes sense that he'd hide that.

"Liv, I don't want there to be any secrets between us anymore......I've murdered...a lot."

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Not sure she actually cared about people. The whole point with the suicide hotline was to find people who were going to off themselves no matter what, so she could join them.

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I guess that's true. But still, she made that pretty huge leap from "trying to tag along in suicide" to being cool with blowing up on a train with hundreds of people on it pretty quickly. I guess she was at her wit's end though, and she thought that maybe that would work (with the whole "good souls outweigh the bad" thing).

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Coma patient with a healthy body. Seems perfect for Bell.

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Exactly. Or a homeless person.

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Weak writing as I said. They needed it to be a pill so she would be able to escape.

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Yeah, as soon as they gave her the pill the first time,I was like "Well, there's her escape plan." And that's like the third time something like that has happened on the show.

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Me too. Can't remember what happens here. Not sure why Walternate doesn't just tell Peter he now has a son and should hope over to their universe. Seems like a good thing to at least try.

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Could work, I agree that it's prolly worth a try, but at this point Walternate knows that he showed his true feelings/plans to Peter and Peter didn't like it and resented/hated him for it. So I'm sure he knows that it wouldn't do much good anyway to approach Peter with something like that. Now, him getting Fauxliv to talk to him would be a lot better, because Peter misses that fiesty redhead something fierce.

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I didn't take from the episode that they were working together, just the observer stating it had begun.

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I don't know. Didn't the doc who stole the blood give it to September? And then we later saw the same blood sample being handed to Walter from Brandon? Brandon had to have gotten it from September at that point, no?

bump to get discussion going again.

my comments on episode 16. I hope to be up to episode 18 by Thursday before the saints game.

I loved how Walter started high in this episode, there is something about Walter on drugs that makes this show more enjoyable.

Something I thought while watching it. So Bell is very protective of all of his stuff but Walter can easily go into his office and take stuff out no questions asked. Maybe not such a big deal but it caught my eye.

The monster of the week wasn't that exciting it was pretty boring. They defy gravity, so this guy can fix his son, really? Who cares, it seems like this is a way that the show wanted to have some filler for Walter to activate bell's soul magnets.

I found it interesting that they got all metaphysical talking about souls, conscious how it goes on after death, ect. But than they made it to scientific. Metaphysically it is impossible what could have happened but whatever this is a TV Show.

Note: if you have no brain activity you can't possibly have a conscious, I believe a soul lives on after death not consciousness.

I know you guys brought up the problem of putting the microchips in the tea way back than. I think it is something that is absorbed into the blood, just like alcohol, yes that wears off but maybe these chips never go away just like cortexphan never goes away once you take it. (I don't think)

Many of these episodes feel like filler when it comes to the biggest part of this season, The Machine. The inception style episode was awesome but right all filler.

Next two episodes no later than the saints game.

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I mean, he's sort of dead, brah. And Walter owns Massive Dynamic. So yeah, I imagine he can go wherever he wants within MD.

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yeah I agree I get it now. I made to big of a deal of it.

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One thing I think about this rewatch is that I am spoiled by my first go through. I remember the overall arching plotlines throughout the show, but forgot some of the details. So when I'm watching now, I find myself just labeling something as "filler" if it doesn't advance things to where I feel like they should be in my mind. And that's not really fair to the show I don't think, because I really love the show, and think all of these episodes are good. But because they don't fit into some narrative I have formulated in my head, they are "filler."

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good point Thanks