re: *OFFICIAL* Fringe M/TV Board rewatch thread (current episodes discussion p. 60)

After that game, I might be a little harder than normal on the show.


At least I get to see red again.

Season 3 Episode 13
Immortality

Other than looking cool, what possible use are the blimps in the future?


They don't have any advertisements on them!

Spontaneous bug eruption. Way #3, I do not want to go.

In before Cokes reminds us he hates both Charlies. I guess that is actually 3 Charlies he hated counting the shifter.


Interesting to see how Walternate will kill people with no problem but since Peter was taken, he won't test on kids.


Another red!

I've never understood people who break things when mad. After you break that crap, you need to clean it up and now you are out the money for the new crap. Yes, I know I have the opening picture of Dr. Cox smashing the guitar but it isn't his guitar and he won't be cleaning up.

What killed the sheep? Good thing it wasn't dogs!



Wow. What a total douche-bag move by Lincoln. In fact, that really stretches believability. He walked straight to Olivia and told her with Frank still there, just a few feet away.



Good save. The episode was almost over. I was actually just about to type, why the F is he testing on humans, when he explained why he was testing on humans.

Why didn't Lincoln smash the compressor / AC Motor which they clearly showed?

In case you wanted to know. Liquid nitrogen can actually freeze metal and make it brittle. Maybe not as easily as Lincoln did it, but it is possible.

If all he needed was a queen, couldn't he have procured a Queen long before the sheep died out?

Frank showing up with the swat team was pretty damn silly. Sure he was part of the CDC, but nonsense to believe he would be sent with that team.

I kind of remembered this one at the end. Remembered that he used himself as the final host which makes NO SENSE.

Also not sure there is a Queen beetle. Not sure why they called it a queen. It's just a female beetle. I could be wrong but the interwebs only gave me pages about Queen vs The Beatles.


Poor Frank.

I'm giving that episode a thumbs down. Filler and it just didn't make much sense.
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Season 3 Episode 14
6B
The interweb failed me. I couldn't find a picture of the guy choking on a kebab from Kids in the Hall.

So she pretty much forgave Peter then that cockblocking mind reader sent her right back into bitch mode! I still say the mind reader did it on purpose since she was the only woman on the planet he could have a normal relationship with.

Sure hope they stole the recipe for Amber if the OVerse starts falling apart.

Dayum, Walter is panicking like there are 3 cases of Ebola in the US.

Yup. Typical woman. Sorry Trbl. 180 degree mood swings.



Sorry about that intermission. I was away for a family non-emergency emergency.


Why are they acting so odd about using Amber? They should have learned from the Fauxverse that it would save millions.

Mass hysteria is better than millions or billions dead.

Sorry Olivia but given the alternative, it isn't a bad last resort. In fact, it is barely a bad first resort. In the Fauxverse they react pretty fast with the Amber. I am sure they do that because they realized waiting to evacuate everyone leads to more deaths. Probably learned that lesson the hard way.

In a similar vein to testing shifters, why exactly didn't the Fringe department evacuate the building once the learned of the soft spot? Seems like an empty building would make the Amber decision pretty easy.

Ok. I'm calling BS on Walter saying location doesn't matter. They are in the same spot but in alternate universes. If distance and both parties being in the same spot has no cause & effect then grieving people all over both universes would be causing daily disruptions in the fabric of both universes. The writer wanted to keep her in the apartment and came up with a bs explanation. That was weak. Not a bad episode, but weak reasoning at the end.

Quit whining Walter. You are smarter with half a brain than Walternate!


Are Peter and Olivia breaking out the saran wrap?

I'm glad they at least flashed to the Fauxverse at the end but given the severity of the event, poor Derek would have been encased in Amber within the first couple of connections between the old folks. No way they wouldn't have Ambered that building after the last event long before the event was over.
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Season 3 Episode 15
Subject 13


Back to the 80s.

We wondered how Peter forgot he was removed from one universe and brought to another. Guess we forgot that he did notice things were changed. Not sure how dying in a lake would make things better.

How does Walter know the original jump caused any damage? Maybe they should have tossed a few scenes of him seeing catastrophic rifts using the Alternate Viewing Glass. Without proof of damage, there is no reason not to use the same technology to bring him back. He certainly sees no damage in the Overse so it seems a bit hard for him to think a second trip would be catastrophic.

Well, at least they are consistent. Olive teleported away yet her father didn't see her teleport away and he grabbed her.


If his Alternate mom has been following him around like she did in the toy store, no wonder Peter is freaking out.


Ha! Showing Olive Jaws.

As we have previously discussed. I still don't get the crossover mechanism. Also, I don't understand Walter's tests. Since he has no idea what can cause the jump, why does he assume Olive wouldn't just jump and stay over there forever?

How did Peter's mom avoid prosecution and how did she stay married to Walter? Her story sounded insane. 6 months later and Walternate still doesn't know about alternate universes so given her story, I would think she would be the prime suspect and I am not sure he would so easily believe her story.

Oh snap! Just got a shiver down the spine. Nice. I forgot that was how Walternate learned about Alternate worlds.

The social services threat seemed a bit weak. I think it was so weak her father might have killed her that night. Still a good episode.

Really not consistent with Peter not remembering the switch in the future.

Immortality.

Altverse. Booyah!

Fauxlivia looking badass. I'm not crazy about red hair, but I think it's those pants she wears that I dig. And her walk.

Charlie has a fan in this bug chick, and she's hot. Question: Do we know how the frick Charlie got spiders? IN HIS frickING BLOOD? That is awful, and I would not handle that well.

Ole Walternate likes him some Asian hookers? Nice.

So far this episode is very filler and sort of Monster of the Week. I like the angle with the bugs, and it's cool that he didn't infect Liv in the end, but it all seems so....pointless I guess.

Pregnant. Yup...I remember that from before. And obviously it's Peter's, though I don't remember what ends up happening from this though.


6B.

Walter playing Cupid with Peter and Liv is hilarious. He makes breakfast and just peaces out once she gets there.

Of course Liv immediately tries to bolt instead of talking about ANYTHING. She says "She's the one who took this away...not me," but it isn't fricking Peter either, girl. Calm down. Damn.

Then she wants it.

Then she doesn't.

So wait, they think that the building could be a soft spot and that the people on the balcony just fell straight through the concrete...yet they're out there standing around chilling on it like it's NBD? Hilarious (and stupid).

Ornery Walter is so awesome.

So I'm confused...the original bus thing was an event or not? Was that a "hole" or vortex or whatever that was seasled shut or not? I don't think it was because it was just encased within the bus...it's not like it's in a single spot in our universe. Or was the whole point of that scene just to point out that they had tampered with the amber just in case an event happened..?

Not much to say about this episode but I am glad we are finally getting some more "universe collision" stuff.

I do think the whole "they are both longing for each other and that is what is making this vortex happen" angle/explanation is kinda stupid. Seems like a weak explanation for what was going on...and if something as simple as that can start colliding universes, then we are all fricked.

Oh, and now Liv wants it again...of course she does. Women be shoppin', man.


Subject 13.

Still love the old 80s digital opening. It's awesome.

Why don't they just explain to Peter what happened? He clearly knows that they aren't his parents, and on top of that, he knows that this isn't even where he's from (he's from "the place at the bottom of the lake"). Just explain to him what happened and why, and that they are working on getting him home as soon as possible. Maybe then he'll at least accept you as foster parents and not try to escape all the damn time.

Also, why doesn't he remember any of this? I assume it eventually has to do with him falling into the lake again (when September saves him) and his memories get lost? He's, what, like almost ten years old or so, which should easily be old enough to recall shite like this. Same with Olivia...how does she not retain any of these memories? is it the cortexiphan or something? Clearly "Doctor Walter" is a HUGE part of her life during this time, yet she has no recollection of any of these things happening? I hope we get explanations for this, because it seems like SUPER lazy writing right now.

Just wanted to say that Joust on Atari is a pretty horrible game.

It's weird seeing the experiments on Liv. Crazy to think about people going through shite like that during emotional testing throughout history.

Okay, this is confusing...so the prank with the dark and the dead kid made her react and cause the fire. So did she run away after that, or did she morph out of there and into the field? And is that in this universe or the other universe? Seems like it has to be this one because Peter is here, but then she goes into Walter's office and talks to him but he isn't there (was that Walternate?). What the frick?

Pretty boring episode. Seems like it was all set up to get Walternate to realize that our Walter crossed over and took Peter.




All in all, these were three pretty boring episodes. I still enjoyed them, but nothing at all really happened..and I was left with a lot of questions. Things seem to be slowing down a lot..I wonder if this is when the show starts to lull a bit. I guess we shall see. And I'm not pumped about Bellivia coming in the next few, but at least I feel like those episodes were prety good (just that the Bellivia angle was so bad).

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In before Cokes reminds us he hates both Charlies. I guess that is actually 3 Charlies he hated counting the shifter.

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I refrained this time. But I can't fricking stand him though.

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Wow. What a total douche-bag move by Lincoln. In fact, that really stretches believability. He walked straight to Olivia and told her with Frank still there, just a few feet away.

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I forgot to comment on that. Yeah, total piece of shite for doing that. Not only did he salt the frick out of ole boy's game, but he straight up ruined any sort of surprise and happiness for Liv. Why do that at all? Makes no sense.

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In case you wanted to know. Liquid nitrogen can actually freeze metal and make it brittle. Maybe not as easily as Lincoln did it, but it is possible.

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I was wondering why it was kept in there...and had it not been in there, would he have been fricked? I thought worst case, he could've tried shooting his gun and hoped that Liv heard it.

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I still say the mind reader did it on purpose since she was the only woman on the planet he could have a normal relationship with.

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We are in agreement on that. So much shade being thrown lately. First that dude, now Lincoln. Jesus..

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In a similar vein to testing shifters, why exactly didn't the Fringe department evacuate the building once the learned of the soft spot? Seems like an empty building would make the Amber decision pretty easy.

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I wondered the same thing. Surely they wouldn't just force all those innocents into the amber without getting them out of there. But we don't know if the building was evacuated or not...I was assuming (hoping?) that it was though.

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Ok. I'm calling BS on Walter saying location doesn't matter. They are in the same spot but in alternate universes. If distance and both parties being in the same spot has no cause & effect then grieving people all over both universes would be causing daily disruptions in the fabric of both universes. The writer wanted to keep her in the apartment and came up with a bs explanation. That was weak. Not a bad episode, but weak reasoning at the end.

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Exactly what I said. Annoyingly weak writing IMO.

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How does Walter know the original jump caused any damage? Maybe they should have tossed a few scenes of him seeing catastrophic rifts using the Alternate Viewing Glass. Without proof of damage, there is no reason not to use the same technology to bring him back. He certainly sees no damage in the Overse so it seems a bit hard for him to think a second trip would be catastrophic.

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Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. I just always assumed it was theories that he figured came true once he figured out a way to cross over. But you're right, there's no proof that he had to know for sure.

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How did Peter's mom avoid prosecution and how did she stay married to Walter? Her story sounded insane. 6 months later and Walternate still doesn't know about alternate universes so given her story, I would think she would be the prime suspect and I am not sure he would so easily believe her story.

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Never thought about that, but Walternate is very powerful, so I'm sure he just believed her and vouched for her.

What exactly was it that triggered him into knowing it was our Walter? Something about the brown sweater?

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Stay away! I get all the reds. You get the blondes.

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You can't get all redheads...you get RedLiv. I can entertain the bug chick (even though her assumed love for spiders would undoubtedly drive us apart in the long run).

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As you can see from my post. Not a big fan of this one. The plot makes no sense. Not like the sheep went missing over night so not sure why he wasn't able to keep the beetles alive before the sheep died out. The ending really makes no sense because he is dead so who is going to finish his research?

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Yeah, I didn't even get the whole "sheep died out" thing anyway. What happened to make sheep die out as a species in the altverse? To be fair, I wasn't paying full attention at that point of the episode, and I noticed I had to rewind a few times cuz I missed something.

And it was weird that he was clearly a smart guy, and found a way to create these bugs and bring them back from fricking EXTINCTION (that's a pretty big deal ), but his only goal was to create a queen (that was untested) and then nothing else? Did he assume that one singular queen would repopulate the world with this bug? The whole "Make sure they spell my name right" was cool I guess, but what would they say about him? "In other news, Dr. Silva was a cold blooded killer who murdered people in the name of science in order to try to recreate an extinct bug and make it grow inside of people by the hundreds and eat their way out of the bodies. That's Dr. Silva...S-I-L-V-A...he's the murderous psychopath." *Close credits with a smile on his face* ??

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Wasn't the bus event terrorism?

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That's what I thought.

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At this point, it is almost inexplicable that Olivia and Peter don't remember everything. Do the observers show up with a memory eraser and we don't remember that?

Impossible Olivia wouldn't remember the man who stopped her Step-Dad from wailing on her.

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Exactly. Like I said, with Peter I assume the eventual fall into the lake (well, other than the one we just saw him take) is possibly enough to traumatize his brain and make him forget everything. But Liv is a normal girl. Now, we know that something suppressed her memories of everything since at the beginning of the show she had no idea who Walter was or that she even had lived in Jacksonville and was tested on. But still...outside of the cortexiphan, I can't think of anything that would've made her forget literally everything from a pretty important time in her life (pre-teen). Jacksonville, the testing, her stepdad, Peter, Walter, etc. It's all pretty important things that would no doubt stick out in her memory, but she recalls literally nothing? Something is up, and I don't remember if we ever get resolution of why. But if we don't, then that is gonna bug me a lot.

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The kid wasn't playing the Atari version. It was the standalone mini-console.

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Close enough, and it looked just like the Atari game as well:

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As we have said before the mechanism for jumping makes no sense and isn't consistent. What is the differenve between the times she stays in the alternate universe and when she hops right back?

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I have no idea.

LIke she jumps the first time, but then her stepdad grabs her? So she wasn't in the altverse at all, or was she? Because I thought the whole point of "jumping over" meant that you literally jumped over into the other one...so like she would've vanished from her stepdad's sight. Unless she magically jumped back and it was only for a split second and he didn't notice?

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She was super freaked and scared to tell Walter about her step dad so she was scared and also feeling excited and loved by Walter at the same time, so she hopped without knowing and gave Walternate her coloring book. Damn good scene.

I liked this one. That was a plausible way for Walternate to find out about alternate universes. He saw a chick appear and disappear in front of him and her book had a drawing of her meeting with Peter and the book didn't disappear so he knows it wasn't a hallucination.

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Okay, yeah...now that you explain that, it makes sense. So she did jump, and give Walternate her book...and then jumped back and was in the empty office. And Walternate saw Peter in her notebook. That's right. I can appreciate that scene more now...I think I was checking fantasy stuff at the end of that episode, so I was in and out of paying attention. I found myself doing that a lot for this batch, which speaks to their boringness, since usually my only distraction is typing my thoughts into my phone for a few seconds here and there.

It really is strange that need Peter or Olivia remember the past.

On a side note I don't like either version Lincoln Lee

Peter does remember some things but he never pieced them together. I believe Olivia's conscience blocked her traumatic memories.

Sorry guys way to busy this week to keep up. Promise you I'll be back to normally by next week

Yeah, we are missing several people.

Also, I am assuming we won't be getting Boo and HC joining in...they had mentioned that they saw the thread but were worried about spoilers, but I tried to talk them into it anyway. Alas, I feel as I have failed.

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We do talk about future events and we nitpick more than our initial watch.

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I told them that. I also told them to check out the OP since I address first-time watchers in a paragraph in there as well.

I think it'd be a cool way to watch the series...it's a confusing series at times, so guidance from others could be helpful I think.