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Woman freed from death row four days after she was supposed to die -
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:11 pm
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:11 pm
Four days after Mississippi sought to execute Michelle Byrom, the state Supreme Court tossed her capital murder conviction and ordered a new trial.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:12 pm to Eurocat
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Miss. death row inmate
Sounds like some weird beauty pageant
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:14 pm to Eurocat
my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:22 pm to Tiguar
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my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
Well, capital cases are always jury trials, no?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:24 pm to moneyg
I thought about that, but it's the same conceptually in that the "government" is made up by humans, voted into power by humans, and their rules enforced by humans. same with a jury, the same juries that let OJ and Casey Anthony walk.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:26 pm to Tiguar
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Tiguar Woman freed from death row four days after she was supposed to die - my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
There is no rational justification for the death penalty in a civilized society. It is based only on emotion and blood lust.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:32 pm to DawgCountry
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Sounds like some weird beauty pageant
"And the winner is...
Michelle, nee Robert, Kosilek!"
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:33 pm to Tiguar
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my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
:applause:
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:34 pm to Tiguar
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I thought about that, but it's the same conceptually in that the "government" is made up by humans, voted into power by humans, and their rules enforced by humans. same with a jury, the same juries that let OJ and Casey Anthony walk.
I think that undermines your argument though.
If you think humans are incapable of accurately weighing evidence and coming to a conclusion of guilt, then fine.
But, that's very different than looking at the failures of government as a whole and questioning its capability.
Perhaps there should be a different standard for death row. In other words, "beyond a reasonable doubt" may be enough to convict, but it should maybe take more to send someone to death row.
But, in a case that is open and shut (say DNA evidence, etc.) you feeling on capital punishment shouldn't be swayed by your opinion on government.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:40 pm to moneyg
perhaps I worded it wrong, but my mistrust of human capability in government facilitated my mistrust of human capability on juries- and whether or not a capital trial is in the hands of "my peers", the law and enforcement therein is still an arm of the government.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:42 pm to Robin Masters
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There is no rational justification for the death penalty in a civilized society. It is based only on emotion and blood lust.
Yes there is, if you commit the ultimate crime, you should pay the ultimate penalty. For a murderer, the death penalty is an appropriate punishment.
Murder is a crime where the victim cannot recover from it at all. Such a grotesque offense requires the criminal feel the full weight of that action and the death penalty is an appropriate method for that to happen.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:43 pm to Eurocat
On average, someone sentenced to death in Mississippi spends about 14 years going through all of the appeals' processes. So this lady had exhausted her appeals and the AG asked the Supremes to set an execution date. Instead, apparently some new evidence appeared that showed that the judge had suppressed some evidence that the son had confessed. New evidence. Not evidence that had been seen before in the other appeals. I think 14 years' worth of appeals will turn up any errors made in any of the prior hearings - unless new evidence is found like in this case.
My question is where was the scum bag son that let his mother sit in prison for 14 years? But, I bet they find out in the end that she still had something to do with killing the husband.
My question is where was the scum bag son that let his mother sit in prison for 14 years? But, I bet they find out in the end that she still had something to do with killing the husband.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 2:46 pm to Robin Masters
quote:An eye for an eye; a tooth for a tooth. Not a hand for a toe or an arm for a finger. A life for a life is totally rational.
There is no rational justification for the death penalty in a civilized society. It is based only on emotion and blood lust.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:03 pm to Diamondawg
Society teaches that murder is wrong by...murdering? That is the very definition of irrational.
Do you teach your children not to hit by striking them or to not swear by swearing at them?
Do you teach your children not to hit by striking them or to not swear by swearing at them?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:18 pm to Robin Masters
quote:Pretty simple solution. If don't want to die by lethal injection then don't kill someone. You knew the consequences prior. Of all of the killings that go on in our state, very few of them get the death penalty.
Society teaches that murder is wrong by...murdering?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:19 pm to Robin Masters
So you think we have the death penalty to "teach society" something?? And i think you need to look up the definition of murder
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:22 pm to Diamondawg
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On average, someone sentenced to death in Mississippi spends about 14 years going through all of the appeals' processes. So this lady had exhausted her appeals and the AG asked the Supremes to set an execution date. Instead, apparently some new evidence appeared that showed that the judge had suppressed some evidence that the son had confessed. New evidence. Not evidence that had been seen before in the other appeals. I think 14 years' worth of appeals will turn up any errors made in any of the prior hearings - unless new evidence is found like in this case. My question is where was the scum bag son that let his mother sit in prison for 14 years? But, I bet they find out in the end that she still had something to do with killing the husband.
The son confessed to the crime multiple times. That information was withheld from the jury.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:24 pm to Robin Masters
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Society teaches that murder is wrong by...murdering?
What should the punishment for kidnappers be, applying your logic?
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:29 pm to Tiguar
I think one can definitely be pro DP in theory but against its application in our current judicial system.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:37 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
quote:I wouldn't say my political leaning did this, but nevertheless, the fact that we suck such huge arse at applying the death penalty has swayed me away from it.
my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
Frankly, I no longer trust our jury system in the slightest on any case that has any significant technical aspects to it.
And hell, that's before we talk about normal human biases. Not racism, just normal bias. Fact is, in two cases with equal facts, if you look like Will Smith, your odds of being convicted much less getting the DP are much lower than if you look like Machete.
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