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re: Woman freed from death row four days after she was supposed to die -
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:38 pm to Tiguar
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:38 pm to Tiguar
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my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
Me too. I would rather punish them to hard labor for the rest of their life.
But the choice we have now is kill em so kill em.
I REALLY wish we create a life of hard labor sentence. Kill someone? 30 years, hard labor in the Florida heat? They'll eventually die before the 30 years is up.
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Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:42 pm to SettleDown
We definitely need to do a better job of sentencing people to death accurately before I can fully support it. There need to be tougher repurcussions for witholding evidence from the defense.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:43 pm to Sentrius
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What should the punishment for kidnappers be, applying your logic
How many people are only charged with kidnapping without other charges like assault/battery, child endangerment, ect?
If this is all the pro dp movement has then you guys are in worse shape than I thought.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 3:56 pm to Eurocat
Different story that goes back seven decades ago. The womans name was Corrie Ten Boom and she and her family were arrested and sent to the camps or aiding Jews in Amsterdam(could wrong on that part) Byway of a "clerical error" she as freed by them on the day she was scheduled for execution. Her and the family were sent there by a person that opposed her Christian beliefs and wanted the property which had been in family for a very long time. She was still preaching world wide until the 80s. The matriarch of the Von Trapp family was making public appearances til then also.
Posted on 4/3/14 at 4:32 pm to Robin Masters
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How many people are only charged with kidnapping without other charges like assault/battery, child endangerment, ect?
If this is all the anti-dp movement has then you guys are in worse shape than I thought.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 6:48 pm to Diamondawg
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On average, someone sentenced to death in Mississippi spends about 14 years going through all of the appeals' processes. So this lady had exhausted her appeals and the AG asked the Supremes to set an execution date. Instead, apparently some new evidence appeared that showed that the judge had suppressed some evidence that the son had confessed. New evidence. Not evidence that had been seen before in the other appeals. I think 14 years' worth of appeals will turn up any errors made in any of the prior hearings - unless new evidence is found like in this case.
Perhaps the problem is the entire system in Mississippi?
Read this and then tell me you don't think there are some serious problems.
The state was dead set on executing this poor woman
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:05 pm to Tiguar
quote:Agreed
my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:20 pm to Eurocat
She looks like a with.
BURN 'ER!
BURN 'ER!
Posted on 4/25/14 at 7:25 pm to SammyTiger
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Convinced the case would be reversed, her defense lawyers at the time put up no mitigating evidence, which included "a lifetime of physical, sexual and emotional abuse," wrote defense attorney David Calder
Sounds like she had shitty attorneys.
Posted on 4/25/14 at 10:01 pm to moneyg
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Well, capital cases are always jury trials, no?
Not if the defendant waives his right to a jury trial. Speaking of which how would you like to put your life in the hands of 12 people that are too stupid to find a way out of jury duty?
Posted on 4/25/14 at 10:05 pm to onmymedicalgrind
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I think one can definitely be pro DP in theory but against its application in our current judicial system.
Bingo!
Hell yes the death penalty is fair and just as long as guilty men are convicted 100 percent of the time and innocent men are acquitted 100 of the time. Simple reason tells me that that is not the case.
Having said that I cannot remember losing any sleep over someone that was sentenced to death and executed.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 8:26 am to Big Scrub TX
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The state was dead set on executing this poor woman
She was certainly traumatized by lots of abuse across her lifetime. However, there are many references to mental illness and she is not legally insane. She also has not been diagnosed with any major mental illness.
The article you linked is biased as well. Her son recently denied killing his father and the Gillis guy denied it as well. If this holds true she will be convicted again. Mitigating circumstances should have been presented. I'm not sure why they were not presented.
Her husband probably needed killing as he was a useless human being. However, I do not see this as some sort of witch hunt. The CDF provides great attorneys for all defendants facing death. These attorneys are private attorneys.
I agree that The Judge in her original trial made a mistake excluding the son's original confession. The DA I spoke with said the son had reportedly confessed and recanted several times. However, the Judge should have included it and allowed the jury to decide if the son was credible.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:16 am to imjustafatkid
quote:how about, you deliberately withhold evidence in a capital murder trial, you get sent to jail as a known prosecutor with a bunch of convicted felons in there for manslaughter, 2nd degree murder, rape and mutilation? Each piece of evidence you get caught withholding gets you a year in the pen. Would work for me, and likely result in a lot less convictions.
We definitely need to do a better job of sentencing people to death accurately before I can fully support it. There need to be tougher repurcussions for witholding evidence from the defense.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 10:26 am to gatorrocks
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I REALLY wish we create a life of hard labor sentence. Kill someone? 30 years, hard labor in the Florida heat? They'll eventually die before the 30 years is up.
Just put them each in their own room, a book on tying rope knots, a length of rope to practice with and then pipe in and play "Girls Just Want To Have Fun" over and over and over. At some point, the whole matter will settle itself.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 11:50 am to Diamondawg
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Pretty simple solution. If don't want to die by lethal injection then don't kill someone.
People know the rules of the game going in.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 11:51 am to Tiguar
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my political leanings have changed my views on the death penalty. If I can't trust the govt. to run healthcare, I can't trust them to kill american citizens judiciously.
The government doesn't sentence people to death.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 1:27 pm to moneyg
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Well, capital cases are always jury trials, no?
Its not just the jury that's in play here. You have over zealous DA's, corrupt police, lazy judges. I have always been opposed to the death penalty.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:16 pm to Jay Quest
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You have over zealous DA's, corrupt police, lazy judges
No. Small government types despise the government...except for their fetishistic love for militarism expressed via those groups you list.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:30 pm to Big Scrub TX
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No. Small government types despise the government...except for their fetishistic love for militarism expressed via those groups you list.
You have a point. Most of the threads on this board are pro-police.
Posted on 4/26/14 at 3:32 pm to Bestbank Tiger
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You have a point. Most of the threads on this board are pro-police.
It took a long time for me to realize that the right wing hated freedom just as much as the left.
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