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Does David Ortiz make the HOF?

Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9313 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:50 pm
To me, he's a borderline entry and I could go either way.

Pros:

1) Postseason performance.

2004- postseason batting average of .455.
2007- postseason batting average of .370.
2013- postseason batting average of .353, while batting .688 in the World Series vs. St. Louis. From the ALCS comeback against the Yankees in 2004 to the game-tying Grand Slam against Detroit last year, if there was ever a bigger "big moment" hitter than David Ortiz, he's already in the HOF. His career postseason on-base percentage is a ridiculous .409.

2) Longevity. For the voters that like to see consistency over a long period, Ortiz has almost 20 years of MLB credit and will likely play for another 2-3 years. He's delivered solid numbers over that span, with a 162 game average of 35 HRs, 118 RBIs, 99 runs and nearly 90 walks a season.

3) Intangibles. Many voters reward intangibles such as leadership, stepping up in big moments, etc. Ortiz has this in spades. His efforts to help end "The Curse" and bring not one but three rings to Boston in the past 10 seasons speaks for itself.

Cons:

1) Good, but not great, career numbers. Ortiz does not yet have 500 HR (a benchmark number for many voters) and has "only" 1429 RBIs. This puts him at 65th all time. Many people ahead of him on this list are not in the HOF currently.

2) Not a position player. Rightly or wrongly, voters are tougher on the DH position and do not reward those who do not take the field on defense. Edgar Martinez is finding this out now.

3) Accumulated many of his numbers in the "steroid era". Again, right or wrong, players that played from the mid-1990s to approximately 2008 are going to be judged against this lens. Production behind the plate will be viewed more critically, regardless of individual test results.

Your thoughts?
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 3:52 pm
Posted by BayouBengals03
lsu14always
Member since Nov 2007
99999 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:51 pm to
I think so.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
23865 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:51 pm to
I think he gets in eventually. too many "HOF" type moments to keep him out
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278171 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:52 pm to
yes. Best DH of all time
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75148 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:53 pm to
Better than Eddie Murray as a DH?
Posted by LSUTigers1986
Member since Mar 2014
1336 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:54 pm to
No. He juiced
Posted by Lester Earl
Member since Nov 2003
278171 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:55 pm to
murray didnt really DH in his prime
Posted by lsu2006
BR
Member since Feb 2004
39978 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:55 pm to
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No. He juiced

If there's anyone who can overcome this stigma, it's Ortiz.
Posted by Paul Allen
Montauk, NY
Member since Nov 2007
75148 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:56 pm to
That's true
Posted by Wayne Campbell
Aurora, IL
Member since Oct 2011
6364 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:58 pm to
I can make the argument that he should, but I doubt he does without a significant shift in thinking of many voters.
Posted by Florida225
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
2833 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:58 pm to
I'm completely unbiased. Yes, yes he should.
Posted by WinnPtiger
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2011
23865 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

I can make the argument that he should, but I doubt he does without a significant shift in thinking of many voters.



hopefully the entire voting process changes
Posted by theunknownknight
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
57246 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:00 pm to
Edgar Martinez should get in then.
Posted by ClientNumber9
Member since Feb 2009
9313 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:06 pm to
quote:

Edgar Martinez should get in then.


Maybe so, Edgar Martinez never won, or even played, in a World Series. I would think the three rings that Ortiz was so instrumental in winning would give Ortiz the edge over Martinez.
Posted by stevo1905
Member since Nov 2010
2082 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:07 pm to
quote:

No. He juiced
If Barry Bonds can't get in and he never failed a test (though he clearly used), then David Ortiz should definitely not get in. That is, if we want any semblance of uniformity around HOF voting in the steroid era.
Posted by TigerintheNO
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2004
41158 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:11 pm to
Right now I would say no
Posted by SDVTiger
Cabo San Lucas
Member since Nov 2011
73271 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:16 pm to
Hes a big fat steriod user who should have been banned for at least a year per his own words
Posted by tigerpimpbot
Chairman of the Pool Board
Member since Nov 2011
66890 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:37 pm to
Definitely in.
Posted by stevo1905
Member since Nov 2010
2082 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:43 pm to
For those saying he should be in, why him and none of the other greats that have been suspected of PED use?
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33793 posts
Posted on 3/31/14 at 4:43 pm to
quote:

For those saying he should be in, why him and none of the other greats that have been suspected of PED use?


Because he's likeable.
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