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re: Does David Ortiz make the HOF?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:08 pm to ClientNumber9
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:08 pm to ClientNumber9
if david ortiz goes in before barry bonds, that would be a shame
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Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:13 pm to LSU82BILL
that doesn't mean that ortiz was better
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:16 pm to ohiovol
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I hope you have no issue with Bonds getting in.
Highly unlikely it will happen. First of all Bonds was a first class prick with the media. Bonds had an obvious physical transformation, admitted using "the clear" and "the cream" and his supplier struck a deal with the Feds to avoid naming Bonds as a user and providing ALL of the details.
Whereas Big Papi was always BIG. Ortiz listed weight on 2014 Red Sox roster is 230 lbs. His weight on the 1997 Minnesota Twins roster as a 21-year old rookie was 250 lbs. That's exactly what he weighed in 2006 when he hit a career high 54 HRs.
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 5:32 pm
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:22 pm to The White Lobster
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that doesn't mean that ortiz was better
Middle of the order guys are paid to hit bombs and drive in runs. Ortiz is unquestionably a more productive middle of the order hitter than Edgar Martinez.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:26 pm to LSU82BILL
if you measure production by RsBI, sure, but that's kinda dumb
martinez was a better hitter so to me that's better production
martinez was a better hitter so to me that's better production
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:26 pm to LSU82BILL
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Highly unlikely it will happen. First of all Bonds was a first class prick with the media. Bonds had an obvious physical transformation, admitted using "the clear" and "the cream" and his supplier struck a deal with the Feds to avoid naming Bonds as a user and providing ALL of the details.
Bonds was a 3 time MVP before said physical transformation.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:34 pm to The White Lobster
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if you measure production by RsBI, sure, but that's kinda dumb
martinez was a better hitter so to me that's better production
Major League GM's don't. How do you define "better hitter"? A higher batting average?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:37 pm to LSU82BILL
obp, wOBA, wRC+. never batting average
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:38 pm to ClientNumber9
Think he gets in
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:40 pm to ohiovol
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I hope you have no issue with Bonds getting in.
I don't and if Bonds and Clemens don't get in the HOF it will become a huge joke!
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:40 pm to ohiovol
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Bonds was a 3 time MVP before said physical transformation.
Yep...IMO Bonds was a shoo in HOFer before he ever thought of juicing. He probably could have gone on to a career of 600 HR, 1,750 RBI and .300 without taking as much as a protein shake. Unfortunately, steroids have tainted everything he ever accomplished.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:45 pm to The White Lobster
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obp, wOBA, wRC+. never batting average
Good lucking getting the BBWA to embrace sabremetrics.
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:47 pm to LSU82BILL
a lot have
Posted on 3/31/14 at 5:59 pm to The White Lobster
Yet Edgar Martinez and his great sabremetric stats only got him on 25% of the ballots last year?
Posted on 3/31/14 at 6:03 pm to LSU82BILL
well there were more than 10 guys better than him on the ballot
Posted on 3/31/14 at 6:06 pm to dukke v
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Edgar>>>.David.....
He got on base better. That's about it
This post was edited on 3/31/14 at 6:16 pm
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