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PFT with some clarity on the Graham situation (Colts are a no-go)
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:12 pm
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:12 pm
PFT clarifies Graham situation. I'm sure I'd read elsewhere that a team with no first rounder this season would be required to give up their next 2 firsts (the CBA really says nothing but "two first round picks" without clarifying any further, unless that info is located in a section other than the franchised player one), but fortunately, the Colts can't make an offer (would have been a total Irsay move).
Also:
The Saints could absolutely take the 26th pick if they agreed to a deal. Hell, they could agree to a deal with no first round picks involved at all. The "it has to be the team's original first round pick" only applies to the situation where the Saints don't want to negotiate on compensation and the team just outright signs Graham.
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First, any team that signs Graham to an offer sheet must have a first-round pick to give. The Colts, therefore, can’t even consider it, since their first-round pick was sent to the Browns for running back Trent Richardson during the 2013 season.
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Second, a team that acquires a first-round pick from another team still must send its own pick. The Browns, for example, wouldn’t be able to dangle the first-round pick they acquired from the Colts (26th overall). The Browns would have to send their own pick, the fourth overall in the 2014 draft.
The Saints could absolutely take the 26th pick if they agreed to a deal. Hell, they could agree to a deal with no first round picks involved at all. The "it has to be the team's original first round pick" only applies to the situation where the Saints don't want to negotiate on compensation and the team just outright signs Graham.
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This post was edited on 3/6/14 at 1:14 pm
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Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:13 pm to THRILLHO
Was just about to post this. Good news.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:18 pm to Patrick O Rly
And he brings up the whole waiting until after the draft thing so that a team gives up their 2015/16 picks. I don't think anyone will do this. They would pretty much have to forego free agency while they sit on their cap space, and if they strike out on Graham after the draft they'd be buggered.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:36 pm to THRILLHO
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don't think anyone will do this. They would pretty much have to forego free agency while they sit on their cap space, and if they strike out on Graham after the draft they'd be buggered.
Also, all it takes is one team to offer before the Draft before any other interested team would have to follow suit because I don't think the Saints would want to wait until 15 to start getting compensation
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:47 pm to THRILLHO
The more rational analysis on this situation that comes out, the more it seems that it is unlikely that Jimmy's going anywhere and it seems that this was a well thought out gambit by Loomis and Co.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:50 pm to Sophandros
The thing I'm wondering is can Jimmy refuse to field offer from teams?
Posted on 3/6/14 at 1:51 pm to Sophandros
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The more rational analysis on this situation that comes out, the more it seems that it is unlikely that Jimmy's going anywhere and it seems that this was a well thought out gambit by Loomis and Co.
surprise surprise
Posted on 3/6/14 at 2:04 pm to Patrick O Rly
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The thing I'm wondering is can Jimmy refuse to field offer from teams?
Sure. shite doesn't go down until he actually signs an offer with another team. If he has a team he doesn't want to play for comes in with the best offer of $11m/yr while the Saints are offering $10m/yr, he could go ahead and sign with us if he wants.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 2:06 pm to THRILLHO
Ok. Thanks. Some of the language made it sound like it was some involuntary series of events, like a team submits the offer and the timer goes off.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 2:37 pm to Patrick O Rly
yup, it wouldn't be too free of free agency if ya had to sign.
Similar to someone claiming a Practice Squad player to their regular roster. The player doesn't have to go. That was the case with Adrian Arrington. He was claimed off the PS more than once but chose to stay here. (They did pay him quite a bit more than the PS standard rate tho).
At this point for me-
chance of a team signing and relinquishing two 1st Rders- 5%
Arbitrator rules Graham WR then that goes up significantly
Arbitrator rules him a TE, I go 90% he signs a long term deal here
Similar to someone claiming a Practice Squad player to their regular roster. The player doesn't have to go. That was the case with Adrian Arrington. He was claimed off the PS more than once but chose to stay here. (They did pay him quite a bit more than the PS standard rate tho).
At this point for me-
chance of a team signing and relinquishing two 1st Rders- 5%
Arbitrator rules Graham WR then that goes up significantly
Arbitrator rules him a TE, I go 90% he signs a long term deal here
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:20 pm to THRILLHO
quote:
The thing I'm wondering is can Jimmy refuse to field offer from teams? Sure. shite doesn't go down until he actually signs an offer with another team. If he has a team he doesn't want to play for comes in with the best offer of $11m/yr while the Saints are offering $10m/yr, he could go ahead and sign with us if he wants.
Technically there is another option of the Saints trading him, right? If traded he would have no say.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:27 pm to Dats Who
No team is going to trade for him without his signing a long term contract first. The only way that I can see the Saints "trading" him (as opposed to a letting him walk for the 2 first round picks) is if a team like Cleveland says "We're not giving up #4, but we're going to offer him more than you can afford after the draft and give up our two firsts in 2015/16, or you can take the Colts pick and our second right now." Something like that. I really think that the Saints value Graham at ~2 first round picks, so they won't accept something less like the Chiefs did with Jared Allen.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:28 pm to Dats Who
Yeah as thrill touched on he has a huge say in where he gets traded if he gets traded, unless the team doesn't mind a one year rental and an unhappy player.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:36 pm to bonethug0108
So theres a chance, right? Therefore another option, no?
I'm just stirring the pot. I just wanted to say "So you're saying there's a chance".
I'm just stirring the pot. I just wanted to say "So you're saying there's a chance".
Posted on 3/6/14 at 4:40 pm to Dats Who
there is a slim chance. Say if some team goes 5 yr, 60mil, 28mil guarantee, think about that jimmy
jimmy comes back and tells ML/SP. Hey, [insert team here] offered me that contract. I'm willing to take 5yr 55mil 23mil guarantee to give you a hometown discount, what say ye?
We say sorry jim, we can't. He signs the contract with said team, we decline to match, and we get the 2 1st rounders.
that's best case scenario obviously.
jimmy comes back and tells ML/SP. Hey, [insert team here] offered me that contract. I'm willing to take 5yr 55mil 23mil guarantee to give you a hometown discount, what say ye?
We say sorry jim, we can't. He signs the contract with said team, we decline to match, and we get the 2 1st rounders.
that's best case scenario obviously.
Posted on 3/6/14 at 6:34 pm to htran90
What if this was all a sham because Jimmy wants to help the team get 2 draft picks.
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