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Builder Asking About Budget on House?

Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:23 am
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:23 am
Is it normal when soliciting bids from builders for them to ask how much money you're looking to spend? When someone makes a percentage of the total cost of a project is seems like they're going to stretch that to the max. I have a builder wanting to know how much I will spend before he will bid the house.
Posted by dallastiger55
Jennings, LA
Member since Jan 2010
27752 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:26 am to
yeah im the same boat. my realtor just told me to let her handle the builder

thats where they make their nut
Posted by C
Houston
Member since Dec 2007
27825 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:27 am to
How well defined are the features? Like is the type of carpet selected or does he include that on his bid?
Posted by guttata
prairieville
Member since Feb 2006
22508 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 7:29 am to
I wouldn't go with that builder. You should be looking for a flat fee builder. Someone who says I will charge you x amount to build that house. I've never understood the % guys. Why should they make more money just because you picked more expensive hardware or better flooring?
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:05 am to
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Is it normal when soliciting bids from builders for them to ask how much money you're looking to spend?


yes, it is normal. First, the builder wants to make sure it's possible to build the house you want built with the budget you've set. In addition, he may select a different sub-contractor in certain areas based on budget. He also wants to make sure his time putting together a proposal is worth it.

The key to building a house is to understand that the builder is your partner, not your adversary. The more he knows about your budget, timeline, etc., the better job he'll do. (or she)
Posted by ForeLSU
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Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:12 am to
quote:

You should be looking for a flat fee builder. Someone who says I will charge you x amount to build that house. I've never understood the % guys. Why should they make more money just because you picked more expensive hardware or better flooring?


If I were a home builder, the only way I would ever do a "flat fee" project is if the buyer agreed that once we signed the contract, the next time I would see them would be at closing. Flat fee means fixed and final scope, and an inflexible project schedule. Otherwise you're going to need a clear understanding of how change orders will work and what the builder will charge for them.

The problem with the "expensive upgrade" scenario is the builder typically incurs added project management overhead with custom items. Lead times are longer, provisions have to be made for installation, finishing, etc. An elaborate chandelier that you had imported from Italy is a much more complex install than a cheap pendent you picked up at Lowe's.
Posted by HubbaBubba
F_uck Joe Biden, TX
Member since Oct 2010
45784 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 8:41 am to
Honestly, time is money. I grew up in a contracting family. Most established contracting businesses are there not because of screwing their customers, but by taking good care of their customers. If your contractor/developer is well established, has a nice portfolio and you can drive through an area and see the quality of their construction, then they deserve to make a profit for providing you with a partnership in the process. A good contractor will work with you and help you come up with the best value for your money and will be able to help you not make poor decisions.

A good contractor wants to insure that 5, 10, 20 years down the road, your property is retaining substantial value.

If you are soliciting quotes, and don't have experience in determining the best quote (not the least expensive, but you can sometimes be surprised), there are people who can advise you. Contact the local office of the Home Builder's Association and request referrals for a qualified appraisal of the quotes. Good builders do all the right things and marginal builders skip small details, use cheaper materials and cover up mistakes instead if doing things over to be done correctly.

Tell the potential builder your budget. It helps them to know if they can reasonably meet that budget and provide you with a quality end result. You should do your homework in advance to find out if the builder has a good reputation and to view some previous properties they've built to see how they're holding up. If you get good reports on the builder, don't sweat the price. A good contractor is worth the price they quote you, as long as they can stay in your budget.
Posted by 756
Member since Sep 2004
14874 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 9:53 am to
who is the builder?
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8377 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:30 am to
quote:

How well defined are the features? Like is the type of carpet selected or does he include that on his bid?


We basically sat down and discussed every aspect of the house plan. All the materials such as counters, flooring, insulation, veneer, roof. We discussed our property where it would be built, etc.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:30 am to
Builder to GFunk: What is your Max Budget?
GFunk to Builder: What is your Minimum Profit Margin?

[uncomfortable silence and throat clearing by Builder]

GFunk to Builder: Now that we have both asked questions that are none of each other's business, are you serious about this bid or not?
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 10:31 am
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8377 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:33 am to
quote:

I wouldn't go with that builder. You should be looking for a flat fee builder. Someone who says I will charge you x amount to build that house. I've never understood the % guys. Why should they make more money just because you picked more expensive hardware or better flooring?


Well the second builder told us his mark up is 12% which is supposedly the minimum recommended by their association if you want to stay in business long term.

To me the % makes sense because things which are logistically more complicated are more expensive. So a percentage makes more sense than a flat fee in terms of executing a project.
Posted by BeerMoney
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2012
8377 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 10:36 am to
quote:

who is the builder?


I'm not going to name him at this time. Just because the general tone of the discussion is "is this legit?". I wouldn't want my name mentioned if I were him.
Posted by ForeLSU
The Corner of Sanity and Madness
Member since Sep 2003
41525 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 11:22 am to
quote:

GFunk to Builder: Now that we have both asked questions that are none of each other's business, are you serious about this bid or not?


Builder to GFunk: Here's the names of a couple of my competitors, I'm sure you'll be happy with your house.
...snickers, gets back in truck
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
25741 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 11:46 am to
quote:

o me the % makes sense because things which are logistically more complicated are more expensive. So a percentage makes more sense than a flat fee in terms of executing a project.

Depends on what items you mean. $3/sq wood flooring vs $10/sq exotic wood shouldn't make much of a difference. GE appliances vs Viking/Subzero doesn't make the contractor work any harder. High end marble throughout vs granite etc.
I am paying my builder a flat fee but I am the contractor on paper so it is a little different.
Posted by Walkertiger
Asst. to the Regional Admin
Member since Nov 2007
2339 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:07 pm to
Cost plus fee is the way to go. That way if you get nicer windows/ lighting fixtures/ floors, etc then he doesn't make more money off of you.

In addition, the builder will not buy the cheapest wood/sheetrock/shingles, etc because it will not affect his profit margin.
Posted by ItNeverRains
37069
Member since Oct 2007
25478 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 1:09 pm to
Not a builder, but if you brought me plans for a 3500 sq ft house and told me your budget was 200k, I'd rather not waste my time or yours. If you told me it was 700k id know not to bid laminate floors and pre fab cabinets when pricing things out. Knowing the budget is really the best way to get the most accurate cost of the scope of the project. The builder knows or should know you're bidding it out, so that will keep everyone in check. Otherwise it's just this time wasting guessing game, and the guy who guesses right, but may not be the best guy for the job, wins

quote:

Cost plus fee is the way to go


Depends. You've got to know builder materials pricing. Is the average person really going to question 2x4 and Sheetrock cost? No
This post was edited on 3/2/14 at 1:14 pm
Posted by VABuckeye
Naples, FL
Member since Dec 2007
35570 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 2:33 pm to
Not sharing a budget with the person doing the work is just plain dumb.

The builder needs a realistic budget to work with to do the job. Asking him to do the work with one hand tied behind his back is shortsighted.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 3:44 pm to
quote:

ForeLSU


quote:

Builder to GFunk: Here's the names of a couple of my competitors, I'm sure you'll be happy with your house. ...snickers, gets back in truck


Thanks your for your time, shakes your hand, and looks you right in the eye. Wonders why I need to tell you what my budget is without you telling me how much money you'd make off my budget?

Oh well...
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
51910 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 4:12 pm to
quote:

Is it normal when soliciting bids from builders for them to ask how much money you're looking to spend?



I never went through this process, but I don't see why not.


The trick is to tell them the amount you are COMFORTABLE paying, not what you are WILLING to pay.
Posted by MikeBRLA
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2005
16474 posts
Posted on 3/2/14 at 4:18 pm to
quote:

Cost plus fee is the way to go. That way if you get nicer windows/ lighting fixtures/ floors, etc then he doesn't make more money off of you. In addition, the builder will not buy the cheapest wood/sheetrock/shingles, etc because it will not affect his profit margin.


I agree. The only way I've ever built is a cost plus deal. Of course you have to trust you builder. If you don't do cost plus you are begging to have your builder cut corners IMO as it will improve his bottom line as mentioned above.
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