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How Did Brett Favre Succeed in Mike Holmgren's WCO?

Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:58 pm
Posted by LSUFOREVERAMEN
Illinois
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 1:58 pm
Something has always confused me about Favre. Holmgren ran a version of the WCO at Green Bay. However, Favre was hardly an archetypal WCO QB. About the only WCO feature that Favre possessed was the ability to extend plays with his (albeit, limited) mobility.

However, he didn't possess the kind of intelligence, the subservient discipline, or the ability to throw a tight, accurate spiral in heavy traffic requisite of the WCO system.
This post was edited on 2/25/14 at 2:00 pm
Posted by Samso
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:00 pm to
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However, he didn't possess the kind of intelligence, the subservient discipline, or the ability to throw a tight, accurate spiral in heavy traffic requisite of the WCO system


You are thinking way too deeply about this
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:00 pm to
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How Did Brett Favre Succeed in Mike Holmgren's WCO?

By not giving a single frick whether a reciever was covered or not
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:05 pm to
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However, he didn't possess the kind of intelligence, the subservient discipline, or the ability to throw a tight, accurate spiral in heavy traffic requisite of the WCO system.


Wtf are you even talking about? Shut up.
Posted by LSUFOREVERAMEN
Illinois
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:10 pm to
There's a good NFL documentary about Favre. It has a clip from a meeting with Holgrem going over the WCO playbook.

You can definitely tell that Favre is struggling to understand the concepts and terminology of the system. He even had to ask Ty Detmer what "nickel" meant.
Posted by lsu5803tiger
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:10 pm to
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the subservient discipline


My favorite part of the post..lol
Posted by BayouBandit24
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:12 pm to
So Favre was an idiot who didn't listen to coaches and also threw a shitty ball?
Posted by LL012697
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:14 pm to
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the subservient discipline


Dafaq
Posted by Teddy Ruxpin
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:21 pm to
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By not giving a single frick whether a reciever was covered or not



I think some QBs could use a little of this with their elite receivers. Its 3rd down motherfricker, throw it to your #1 and let something happen.
Posted by BCMCubs
Colorado
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:23 pm to
Especially if your #1 guy is Megatron.
Posted by tigers9898
tha ridge
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:25 pm to
Because he was one of the GOATs.
Posted by ZTiger87
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:29 pm to
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However, he didn't possess the kind of intelligence, the subservient discipline, or the ability to throw a tight, accurate spiral in heavy traffic requisite of the WCO system.


He completed 62% of his passes. I don't know how intelligent he is or isn't, but we've all sent dick pics before. So I don't think that makes him any less intelligent.
Posted by LSUFOREVERAMEN
Illinois
Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:35 pm to
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He completed 62% of his passes. I don't know how intelligent he is or isn't, but we've all sent dick pics before. So I don't think that makes him any less intelligent.


I was measuring his accuracy by his touchdown/interception ratio. His completion ratio was outstanding and probably saved his career. But Favre did his best against single coverage. Even so, he still tried to force it into triple coverage instead of going through all his reads like a WCO QB is taught to do.
Posted by swagsurfin7
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:49 pm to
Gun...... slinger!
Posted by goldenbadger08
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:53 pm to
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he didn't possess the kind of intelligence, the subservient discipline, or the ability to throw a tight, accurate spiral in heavy traffic requisite of the WCO system.
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:55 pm to
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instead of going through all his reads like a WCO QB is taught to do


All quarterbacks are taught to do that.
Posted by LSUFOREVERAMEN
Illinois
Member since Dec 2013
1300 posts
Posted on 2/25/14 at 2:58 pm to
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All quarterbacks are taught to do that.


All QBs are taught that, but not all of them do that.

For example, Dan Marino once told Bill Walsh that he didn't care about looking for the first or second read. He just dropped back and looked for the first open receiver he could find.

Brett Favre was more like a classical QB like Dan Marino than a WCO QB like Joe Montana.
Posted by BayouBandit24
Member since Aug 2010
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:07 pm to
I think you're putting to much emphasis on the offense and not the player
Posted by Backinthe615
Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:11 pm to
He had a great feel for screens. Backs never had to wait on a fluttering duck, it was drilled in their numbers and they could turn downfield. Really the same for TEs & WRs...when he wasn't throwing to the other team, that is. Sterling Sharpe held up his hands in an interview once & they looked they'd been in a wheat thresher from catching Farve's passes. With an arm like that he didn't have to be Steven Hawking.
Posted by Flair Chops
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Posted on 2/25/14 at 3:13 pm to
because he slung guns
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