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re: Homebrewing: In-Process Thread

Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:51 pm to
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 12:51 pm to
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I wouldn't worry with it unless you are going to add something to it after fermentation, or don't plan to bottle it for a while


That's what i figured. I believe i have 1 more brew to make after this stout, before i brew my 3rd Prime IPA again. I plan on upping the hops. It's basically a citra/cascade IPA.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:38 pm to
Bug, depending on the beer that you're brewing it may or may not help to mash longer. The only time I've ever mashed more than an hour was a saison at a low low temperature of 148F. I'd think if anything you'd have more of a chance of being able to do shorter mashes than longer because of how well modified modern malts are.
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 1:54 pm to
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Also, any advantages to secondarying an oatmeal stout? I typically secondary most my ales, other than my saison, for clarity or for dry hopping. However, this being a stout, clarity isn't really a concern, and my hops are all added at the beginning of the boil.


Had a discussion with Andrew at Parish a couple weeks ago. He says there's no advantage whatsoever to secondary. Want to dry hop? Toss them into primary. Ditto for other additions. His thought is that the potential disadvantages (higher risk of infection, oxidation) outweigh any perceived advantages of secondary. The only time he would advise moving to secondary is in the case of a beer that would be on yeast for quite a while (barleywine, big stout, quadrupel, etc). To that point, my last half dozen beers have all been exclusively in one fermenter, and all have come out perfectly fine. Clarity has been spot on. So, call me a believer.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:10 pm to
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Had a discussion with Andrew at Parish a couple weeks ago. He says there's no advantage whatsoever to secondary. Want to dry hop? Toss them into primary. Ditto for other additions. His thought is that the potential disadvantages (higher risk of infection, oxidation) outweigh any perceived advantages of secondary. The only time he would advise moving to secondary is in the case of a beer that would be on yeast for quite a while (barleywine, big stout, quadrupel, etc). To that point, my last half dozen beers have all been exclusively in one fermenter, and all have come out perfectly fine. Clarity has been spot on. So, call me a believer.



Exactly. Jamil has been preaching this for years.

Try to minimize transfers as much as possible.

That's why buckets are are so great IMO.
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:34 pm to
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That's why buckets are are so great IMO.


Amen to that!
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:50 pm to
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The only time I've ever mashed more than an hour was a saison at a low low temperature of 148F. I'd think if anything you'd have more of a chance of being able to do shorter mashes than longer because of how well modified modern malts are.


ah, i got ya. Well i'm mashing at 154, so i think i'll keep to mashing for 60 minutes.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 2:52 pm to
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Want to dry hop? Toss them into primary


Wouldn't your hops utilization be better, if you rack your wort onto your hops? You'll have more surface area contact of your beer to your dry hops.
Posted by BMoney
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 3:10 pm to
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Wouldn't your hops utilization be better, if you rack your wort onto your hops? You'll have more surface area contact of your beer to your dry hops.


Since you're extracting the essential oils from the hops for the aroma, I'm not sure the surface area contact is a huge deal. Especially if you swirl the vessel a time or two every day.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 4:25 pm to
Oh, and here is a pic of my yeast starter

Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 8:56 pm to
I'm going to do a pumpkin rye saison this weekend and am thinking something like this:

60% two row
25% rye
8% oats
5% acid malt
2% chocolate

3 lbs (??) pumpkin in mash

mash for 90 min @ 148

willamette to 20ish IBUs

I'm going to go with yeast from a bottle of Saison Dupont that I have and then toss in some brett after a few days.

Probably aim for 6 gallons. Was thinking of doing a black rye pumpkin but will do something black for a winter brew.
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:04 pm to
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quote:
Had a discussion with Andrew at Parish a couple weeks ago. He says there's no advantage whatsoever to secondary. Want to dry hop? Toss them into primary. Ditto for other additions. His thought is that the potential disadvantages (higher risk of infection, oxidation) outweigh any perceived advantages of secondary. The only time he would advise moving to secondary is in the case of a beer that would be on yeast for quite a while (barleywine, big stout, quadrupel, etc). To that point, my last half dozen beers have all been exclusively in one fermenter, and all have come out perfectly fine. Clarity has been spot on. So, call me a believer.




Exactly. Jamil has been preaching this for years.

Try to minimize transfers as much as possible.


I still know people who think this is crazy talk...

I'm a huge believer in "seal it up and leave it alone" and don't even take gravity readings until bottling or dry hopping.
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:08 pm to
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quote:
Wouldn't your hops utilization be better, if you rack your wort onto your hops? You'll have more surface area contact of your beer to your dry hops.



Since you're extracting the essential oils from the hops for the aroma, I'm not sure the surface area contact is a huge deal. Especially if you swirl the vessel a time or two every day.


I just dump mine in there and they mostly fall out by 2 weeks. Also, that allows them to spread out across the entire surface area allowing for maximum brett contact. The brett seems to enjoy the hops and I usually get an up tick in activity.
Posted by s14suspense
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Posted on 9/5/13 at 9:45 pm to
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Was thinking of doing a black rye pumpkin



That sounds really cool actually.

Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:25 pm to
Brewing when i get home from work. Figure i'd bump the thread, and i will be posting pictures as i go along. Brewing an Oatmeal stout. I mixed my grains with my toasted oats, and have them in a warm closet. Hopefully i can get my grain temp close to outside temp before i start mashing.
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:55 pm to
Nervous that the fermentation on my Westy 12 clone may have crapped out. It is at 1.029 after 5 days and bubbling has stopped. I know that doesn't mean ferm has stopped. But I'm preparing another starter. I'll check gravity in a couple of days and if it hasn't dropped, I'll pitch that bitch.
Posted by LoneStarTiger
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 3:59 pm to
what is your fermentation temp?
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 4:04 pm to
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what is your fermentation temp?


82 per the recipe I am using. I am supposed to drop to 50 today. But the gravity should be 1.016 per recipe.
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:19 pm to
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Nervous that the fermentation on my Westy 12 clone may have crapped out. It is at 1.029 after 5 days and bubbling has stopped.


Did you try giving it a good shake to get some of the yeast resuspended?

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I'll check gravity in a couple of days and if it hasn't dropped, I'll pitch that bitch


I've never had to repitch but you might want to pull some of that 1.029 Westy and mix it into your new starter (maybe a little at first and then keep adding a bit more over a couple of days). That should kind of buffer your new yeast and get it good and ready to go.
Posted by BugAC
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:47 pm to
Well this is going terribly. I've finished my mash and it is completely stuck. I've blown in the valve, stirred up the mash, and I get literally 3 drops and it stops. I'm thinking the 10% oatmeal is gumming it up. It was instant oatmeal unmilled. I'm trying a 20 minute mash out, and of that don't work I'm going to have to dump the whole fricking batch.
Posted by rds dc
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Posted on 9/6/13 at 8:52 pm to
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I'm thinking the 10% oatmeal is gumming it up. It was instant oatmeal unmilled.


I do BIAB, so my advice is pretty worthless, and I always use old fashioned oats and not instant.

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I'm trying a 20 minute mash out, and of that don't work I'm going to have to dump the whole fricking batch.


Maybe kick your temp and volume way up to thin everything out? You would have to do a longer boil to get down to your target gravity. I'm just throwing shitz against the wall right now, since I've never had to deal with that.
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