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re: The truth about Garrett Hartley
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:13 pm to SaintlyTiger88
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:13 pm to SaintlyTiger88
And hey, let's not forget the disaster that was Olindo Mare/Martin Gramatica!! Garrett Hartley has done far better than those two guys!
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Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:14 pm to Chad504boy
quote:Wtf are you talking about? Hartley was injured in the preseason in 2011 and we brought in Kasay last minute. In 2012 Hartley proceeded to beat out Kasay to take back the Job.
Kasay who wasn't that good himself replaced Hartley. What does that tell you?
I agree that it would be nice to upgrade the position, but how? Damn near every NFL kicker that lasts is between 75%-85%(and 75% is being generous; many of those guys get cut after 2-3 years if they don't do better). Hartley is 84.5%. Go look at the available kickers career % and compare.
Fact is, unless we luck into the next Morten Andersen Hartley is just as good as anyone else. Problem is everyone is still butt hurt about the ATL game and GB game. Time to get the frick over it.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:18 pm to St Augustine
Hartley's missed 2 20-29 yds. and 5 30-39 yds. That's 91% and 80%. He's even better at 40-49 missing 2 for 85%. 71% from 50+ if anyone is curious.
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He missed that one bad one at ATL and people just can't move on.
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He missed that one bad one at ATL and people just can't move on.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 1:19 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:21 pm to bonethug0108
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Hartley's missed 2 20-29 yds. and 5 30-39 yds. That's 91% and 80%.
and that is unacceptable as hell.
I don't care if you miss some longer ones but you should be better than 80% from the 30s
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:21 pm to St Augustine
I'm always nervous when he's ki ki ki...kicking.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:22 pm to SaintlyTiger88
We could have worse at the Kicker position. Just not good for my health every time we line up for a crucial 30+ yard FG.
Edit: I severely doubted him in the '09 NFCCG.. Glad he made that 1!
Edit: I severely doubted him in the '09 NFCCG.. Glad he made that 1!
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 1:23 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:27 pm to St Augustine
He's far from the worst in that range. He's slightly below average, but he is above average in the 40s. Take some bad with the good. Most of the problem is his limited chances. He's low on the list for FG attempts per year.
And to give some perspective on good/bad:
Vanderjadt went 37 for 37 one year. Mr. Money Vinatieri was 80% one year. Carney went 35 for 38 2 years after we dumped him.
Kickers are streaky as hell because sometimes they don't get many chances. They've had guys go from near top to near bottom in consecutive years. Fact is 84.5% for your career is good. If he starts getting under 80% then we can talk about cutting him.
And to give some perspective on good/bad:
Vanderjadt went 37 for 37 one year. Mr. Money Vinatieri was 80% one year. Carney went 35 for 38 2 years after we dumped him.
Kickers are streaky as hell because sometimes they don't get many chances. They've had guys go from near top to near bottom in consecutive years. Fact is 84.5% for your career is good. If he starts getting under 80% then we can talk about cutting him.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 1:30 pm
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:29 pm to bonethug0108
Hartley seems very unclutch.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:30 pm to Patrick O Rly
What's up with all the Walter jr references. I'm on ep 3 of season 3 by the way. 
from your picture it looks like he changes a bit.
from your picture it looks like he changes a bit. Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:31 pm to Hoodoo Man
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Hartley seems very unclutch.
Joke? Guy hits one of the biggest kicks a kicker can make in OT to send his team to the SB(and it was a 40+ yarder) and then proceeds to hit 3 40+ yarders(first time ever any kicker has) in the SB.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:32 pm to St Augustine
I've just been rewatching the series. I think the picture is just a promo, but...but...it's just...I really like Walter Jr. wa wa wa way with words.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:34 pm to bonethug0108
Did I really have to specify a recent timeline?
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:34 pm to bonethug0108
And then misses a chip shot in OT the following year that proved to put the division title out of reach.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:37 pm to Patrick O Rly
4 clutch makes vs. 1 miss. Seems like a winner to me.
Like I said, some people can't move on past that one kick. It's been 3 years.
Like I said, some people can't move on past that one kick. It's been 3 years.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:38 pm to bonethug0108
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Like I said, some people can't move on past that one kick. It's been 3 years.
I agree.
People need to move on from 2009.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:38 pm to bonethug0108
Why you gotta be such a...such a...ba ba ba ba bitch?!
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:38 pm to Hoodoo Man
quote:What other kicks did he miss in the clutch? The ATL miss was the following year. What ones did he miss last year? GB when he hit the first but they had a penalty and he had to kick it from over 50?
Did I really have to specify a recent timeline?
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:41 pm to bonethug0108
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Wtf are you talking about? Hartley was injured in the preseason in 2011 and we brought in Kasay last minute. In 2012 Hartley proceeded to beat out Kasay to take back the Job.
I agree that it would be nice to upgrade the position, but how? Damn near every NFL kicker that lasts is between 75%-85%(and 75% is being generous; many of those guys get cut after 2-3 years if they don't do better). Hartley is 84.5%. Go look at the available kickers career % and compare.
Fact is, unless we luck into the next Morten Andersen Hartley is just as good as anyone else. Problem is everyone is still butt hurt about the ATL game and GB game. Time to get the frick over it.
There was an injury and also was Hartley getting shaky after the 2010 season of In 2010, he finished 27th ranked place in FG%, 11 of 15 in FG's under 40 yards.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:43 pm to bonethug0108
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What ones did he miss last year?
dude had 7 attempts of 40 yards or more all last season, tells me the coaching staff used hartley as a worst case scenario and never liked using him.
Posted on 5/2/13 at 1:44 pm to Chad504boy
quote:6 of 7 in 40-49 and 2 of 2 from 50+. That's 8 of 9.
11 of 15 in FG's under 40 yards.
Again, I'm not saying he's great. He's par(looked back an average seems to be 83-84% over the last 10 or so years). Until we find someone better, he is just fine.
Show me career % of the available kickers and tell me who is better.
This post was edited on 5/2/13 at 1:47 pm
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