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Beyond merely stupid- stupid to the 10th power.

Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:35 pm
Posted by chasseur4
New Orleans
Member since Dec 2006
564 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:35 pm
You have a 2-point lead.
You have the ball.
Two minutes remain.
Get 2 first downs, run out the clock, & you win the game.
Go 3 & out, & they will come back at you with one of the country's better fg kickers.
What do you do?
Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Then you make the same mistake on 3d & 2?!!!
You are beyond stupid.
Posted by Hugo Stiglitz
Member since Oct 2010
72937 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:36 pm to
mistakes were made
Posted by lurkr
Member since Jan 2008
12365 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:39 pm to
We need more down field passing.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:39 pm to
quote:

"We had to throw the football," Miles said.

"We were not running the football. They were in a position where they outnumbered us in the run."

LSU's three passes allowed Swinney to save his timeouts.

"I had three timeouts," Swinney said. "If he runs it three times, I can call timeout, timeout, timeout.

"I think (Miles) was trying to win the game. I think he felt confident in the plays. I know he knew he needed to get a first down, because if he gets a first down I have to start burning timeouts."

Boyd said having 1:39 to stage the final drive "is like having 10, 15 minutes for us."

"When I saw that clock and that we had three timeouts I said, 'Let's get it.'"


LINK

Just played right into their hands.
Posted by Rickdaddy4188
Murfreesboro,TN
Member since Aug 2011
46625 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:42 pm to
The pass on 2nd down was a good call. If Mett doesn't throw the ball straight to the ground, we get that first down. Miles will never win over some of our fan base. He gets called an idiot when he runs against an 8-9 man front and he gets called an idiot when he calls a good passing play on 2nd &2.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:44 pm to
quote:

The pass on 2nd down was a good call.


Obviously not.
Posted by Skin
Member since Jun 2007
6370 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.


funny how you label this a good idea knowing good and well had we thrown an incomplete pass on 1st and stopped the clock you would be calling for Les's head.

our coaches are damned if they do and damned if they dont.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:45 pm to
quote:

The pass on 2nd down was a good call. If Mett doesn't throw the ball straight to the ground, we get that first down. Miles will never win over some of our fan base. He gets called an idiot when he runs against an 8-9 man front and he gets called an idiot when he calls a good passing play on 2nd &2.


You know that there are more ways to run the ball than straight into the teeth of the defense right? frick, if he lined Ware up and then had him run to the edge everyone would be so baffled that it wasn't Ford that he'd likely go all the way.

It was a stupid call, not specifically because it was a pass, but because it was a designed roll out with a QB who is awful when moving in a situation when forcing them to use timeouts was at least as important as getting a first down. And then he did it AGAIN on 3rd down!
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:47 pm to
The problem is, the sequence was must a mismanagement of time. Didn't force Clemson to use timeouts and didn't burn any clock. It's quoted above where Clemson saw they had a minute and a half with three timeouts, and knew they could get it done.
Posted by bigoyster
Mobile, AL
Member since Jun 2009
623 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:53 pm to
quote:

quote:


The pass on 2nd down was a good call.




Obviously not.


They are only good calls when they work.
Posted by Papa Tigah
TIGER ISLAND, LA
Member since Sep 2007
18407 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:54 pm to
And if we got the first down on the pass and won, you would be slurping the Purple Drank.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:56 pm to
quote:

They are only good calls when they work.


Not it would still have been a bad call, whether it worked or not. Much like the fake field goal on 4th and 12 against Bama.

The question isn't "whether it works" it's "what play, on average, gives my team the best chance to win" and it definitely wasn't that sequence of plays.
Posted by navy
Parts Unknown, LA
Member since Sep 2010
29038 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:56 pm to
Look at the stats. We got our asses beaten.


All the foolish coaching decisions are just the lagniappe.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
260404 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:00 pm to
quote:


They are only good calls when they work.



Still would have been a bad call. Too much risk.

Run the clock or force them to use timeouts. Miles says they couldn't run, and he is full of shite.

Outside of the QB's sacks, LSU averaged over 7 yards per run in the game. Two runs, throw on third and everyone would have understood.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:01 pm to
You're an idiot, dude. All game long, on short yardage situations, Clemson sold out or the run and stuffed us. Miles did the smart thing on second and two - he faked run and threw a short pass in the flat. Miles was hoping Clemson would sell out or the run, and he must have been thrilled when he saw the play unfold. They had tricked Clemson. Landry was wide open. Mett was moving that way, and had a short throw, with no one in between, to win the game. LSU coaches were probably already patting themselves on the back. Clemson coaches were surely watching the receiver break clear and thinking all was lost. The game was ours if Mett could throw the ball 12 yards to a wide open receiver and Landry could catch it. Done deal, right! Nope, Mett blew it! The coaches made one of those rare, truly brilliant calls; it worked like a charm; and you think that's stupid.
Posted by TigerEast
Alabama
Member since Dec 2003
1451 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:02 pm to
quote:

mistakes were made


Mistakes were made and admitted to in the Alabama game by Les Miles. When are the mistakes in critical games going to end. Does Miles learn anything form his previous mistakes?
Posted by cssamerican
Member since Mar 2011
7119 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:05 pm to
quote:

You have a 2-point lead.
You have the ball.
Two minutes remain.
Get 2 first downs, run out the clock, & you win the game.
Go 3 & out, & they will come back at you with one of the country's better fg kickers.
What do you do?
Throw on 1st & 10, catch them off guard, & pick up 8 yds- good idea.
On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
Then you make the same mistake on 3d & 2?!!!
You are beyond stupid

You forgot Hill was averaging 10 yards per carry.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:06 pm to
quote:

forcing them to use timeouts was at least as important as getting a first down.


Really? We made Bama use their timeouts and then they took about 40 seconds to score a TD. The time was meaningless. Miles did the right thing and tried to move the ball.
Posted by nf
Portland, OR
Member since Oct 2012
520 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:09 pm to
So since the loss is obviously all on Mettenberger failing to complete one "simple" pass (since obviously a football game is one play long and if you fail to complete it you have lost, and no other plays happen, you must put the whole game on one play) can we blame the coaches for recruiting and playing such a shitty QB that he cannot make even a simple throw?

At one point do we get to blame the coaches? We can't blame them for calling plays that the players evidently can't run correctly, we can't blame them for not coaching the players to run them correctly, we can't blame them for recruiting players who are so bad that they cannot be coached to run plays correctly?

What the frick are the coaches even there for if their jobs are utterly meaningless and every loss is all on the players not executing a masterful game plan, despite perfect recruiting and perfect coaching?
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
39273 posts
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:11 pm to
quote:

It's quoted above where Clemson saw they had a minute and a half with three timeouts, and knew they could get it done.


A minute and a half is an eternity in college where the clock stops on a first down. They didn't need any timeouts. If we'd run the ball there is no way we would have made a first, and Clemson would have scored just as easily. The right answer is to keep your foot on the gas until running the lock guarantees victory. We weren't there yet. Miles did the right thing. Mett blew it.
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