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re: Beyond merely stupid- stupid to the 10th power.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:12 pm to Penrod
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:12 pm to Penrod
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Really? We made Bama use their timeouts and then they took about 40 seconds to score a TD. The time was meaningless. Miles did the right thing and tried to move the ball.
Exactly. Priority #1 there was to get the 1st down and extend the drive. You call the plays that you feel give us the best opportunity to do so, regardless if they milk the clock.
eta: personally I would have ran it on 2nd and 2, but coaches thought otherwise.
This post was edited on 1/1/13 at 8:19 pm
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Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:15 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Still would have been a bad call. Too much risk.
It's risky either way. If we ran three times and failed we would have lost the same way. To win we had to pick up at least one first down. The smart move is to do whatever gives us the best chance to get a first. Three passes was exactly the right answer. Remember, against Bama we followed your advice, failed, and watched them drive the field and win.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:15 pm to nf
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So since the loss is obviously all on Mettenberger failing to complete one "simple" pass (since obviously a football game is one play long and if you fail to complete it you have lost, and no other plays happen, you must put the whole game on one play) can we blame the coaches for recruiting and playing such a shitty QB that he cannot make even a simple throw?
Dude. Blame away. Blame for a lot of things. But this is specifically about the last series. And the 2nd down call was solid. Just not executed.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:16 pm to navy
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Look at the stats. We got our asses beaten.
All the foolish coaching decisions are just the lagniappe.
This.
We got handled, screw the play calls, screw the refs, screw all of it, that is just static.
We got handled just like we have for a while now. Even our success requires some outstanding individual effort.
Just watched a play action to OLeary for FSU....haven't seen a LSU receiver that open in two years. Our scheme on offense is terrible and will not be addressed, our D will be too young and on the field too long next year again.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:16 pm to Penrod
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Really? We made Bama use their timeouts and then they took about 40 seconds to score a TD. The time was meaningless. Miles did the right thing and tried to move the ball.
LSU lost.
It didn't work. The smart thing to do would be to try to get a first down, burn time and force them to use timeouts. Throwing the ball, when the passing game wasn't nearly as successful as the running game, doesn't appear to be the best option.
LSU was averaging 7 YPC. Miles said they couldn't run. He is full of shite.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:18 pm to cssamerican
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You forgot Hill was averaging 10 yards per carry.
What was Hill averaging on short yardage situations? Probably negative yardage. They were stuffing us.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:19 pm to Penrod
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What was Hill averaging on short yardage situations? Probably negative yardage. They were stuffing us.
Way to throw out a wild arse guess.
Running between the tackles against a stacked box is pretty stupid, but it's what LSU does. There are other options to keeping the ball on the ground than running into a wall.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:21 pm to Skin
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Exactly. Priority #1 there was to get the 1st down and extend the drive. You call the plays that you feel give us the best opportunity to do so, regardless if they milk the clock.
So because we lost the Bama game the calls in the Clemson game were correct, even though we lost the Clemson game too?
Do people forget that when we ran on Bama we needed to get 8 yards on 3rd down, versus 2 yards on second down? Is it so important to service the stupid analogy that you forget basic and important facts about down and distance?
If your power running team can't get 1 yard a down running the ball against a mediocre defense like Clemson then your team is not very good.
And I'm fine saying that, LSU was not very good and that is because the coaching, particularly on offense, was a failure.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:21 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The pass on 2nd down was a good call.
You are an idiot. It was a bad call and worse execution.
Sometimes coaches call stupid plays, but get away with it sometimes. That's called luck, not smart.
Miles was neither smart nor lucky on that play.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:22 pm to Rickdaddy4188
[If Mett doesn't throw the ball straight to the ground, we get that first down. . [/quote]
WTF? I seriously wonder if some of y'all even watch the game. The ball was overthrown because a defender was jumping in front of him.
WTF? I seriously wonder if some of y'all even watch the game. The ball was overthrown because a defender was jumping in front of him.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:23 pm to nf
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So since the loss is obviously all on Mettenberger failing to complete one "simple" pass
I don't believe this, nf. I was arguing against the folks who are saying the second down call was a bad one. Naturally, since I'm discussing one play, my arguments only center around that one play.
Ultimately the head coach is responsible or everything.
This wasn't Miles' best product this year. They were very good, but once the Bama loss put us out of contention, the team sleepwalked through the rest of the year. It's human nature.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:24 pm to Skin
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eta: personally I would have ran it on 2nd and 2, but coaches thought otherwise.
It's a valid point. I think you would have been facing third and four, but who knows.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:25 pm to Skin
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funny how you label this a good idea knowing good and well had we thrown an incomplete pass on 1st and stopped the clock you would be calling for Les's head.
Honestly, none of the calls were good ideas. Run it three straight times and make them use all their timeouts.
You have a running back averaging 10+ yards per play on 12 carries. There is a decent chance that he gets the first and ends it anyway. If he doesn't, you punt it and they have to fly down the field with no timeouts and a sack just about ends the game.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:27 pm to Papa Tigah
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And if we got the first down on the pass and won, you would be slurping the Purple Drank.
But we didn't, therefore he did not partake in drinking the Purple Drank.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:27 pm to cssamerican
Typical Les Miles move you have an NFL caliber back (actually several of them) and the one with the "hot hand" sits on the bench. Ask Charles Scott how that played out for him. You don't deserve to win the game if you can make 2 yards in 2 plays.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:29 pm to dominustd
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You are an idiot. It was a bad call and worse execution.
Clemson had our number in short yardage plays all night. They thought we'd do it again. We didn't. We caught them off guard. We had the guy wide open. We didn't make the pass. It was a good call. It's not that hard to see. Unless you have another agenda here to prove that's bigger than this one play call. But none of you would stoop to that.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:30 pm to Rickdaddy4188
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The pass on 2nd down was a good call. If Mett doesn't throw the ball straight to the ground, we get that first down. Miles will never win over some of our fan base. He gets called an idiot when he runs against an 8-9 man front and he gets called an idiot when he calls a good passing play on 2nd &2.
You do realize the game consisted of more than one drive. Correct? The offense was spotted 7-10 points. They sucked and have sucked for years. Jesus.
Just like the team has been hampered by this offense by whatever excuse you want to make. Quit defending it. New QB. Same crap. Artificial turf. Same offense.the new excuse is Mett sucks and the players aren't into the game. It's the players fault. Let's call them idiots. They are responsible for putting this horrid gameplan together.
Chicken just needs to call this the Tiger Jerk. If you want the one area Of the team to improve you want miles fired. Just retards.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:30 pm to Penrod
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I don't believe this, nf. I was arguing against the folks who are saying the second down call was a bad one. Naturally, since I'm discussing one play, my arguments only center around that one play.
It was horrible. The third down play I understand. The second down call was just idiotic.
. The passing game was out of sync the whole second half, your RB's are averaging 7 YPC (yet your best one is on the bench the whole 4th quarter) and you want to burn time, and/or make them use timeouts.
The second down call was stupid.
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This wasn't Miles' best product this year. They were very good, but once the Bama loss put us out of contention, the team sleepwalked through the rest of the year. It's human nature.
I actually thought this team did better than they could have. This could have been a 5-6 loss team. The inexplicable always seems to happen in crunch time though.
Miles needs to do something with that offense, he isn't leaving himself many options when they may be needed.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:31 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Running between the tackles against a stacked box is pretty stupid, but it's what LSU does. There are other options to keeping the ball on the ground than running into a wall.
WTF do you think we were facing on that last series? A motherfricking wall, that's what! Clemson sold out against the run, and only an idiot would have run it there. It was idiotic to run it against Bama on that last series. There was no doubt Bama's eight guys were going to beat our seven blockers and put a hat on the ball carrier.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 8:32 pm to chasseur4
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On 2d & 2 you can run, but instead you PASS again?!!!
And if it gets stuffed you'd be on here bitching about running into a stacked box. There's a lot to be pissed about but that play call is not one of them. The WR was wide open. That's solely on Mett.
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