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re: Chalk one up for the good guys!
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:28 am to Nascar Fan
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:28 am to Nascar Fan
Everytime a "good guy" pulls the trigger, a democrat dies. Coincidence?
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Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:29 am to SmackoverHawg
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:44 am to chief420
quote:Growing up I was always taught that a gun is not a toy. It is not used to scare someone. If you pull it out, someone is getting shot until they are completely neutralized. This isn't like little kids playing cops and robbers.
"Stop or I'll shoot!"
*bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang bang
With that being said, you have an obligation to think correctly enough not to shoot some kid who's ball smashes through your window.
If you just whip it out, you can be charged with brandishing. If you fire warning shots you can be charged with discharging.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:45 am to SmackoverHawg
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Everytime a "good guy" pulls the trigger, a democrat dies. Coincidence?
Wow, just wow...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:49 am to choupiquesushi
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BTW.. there is a fairly recent case in LA very similar to the one you just referenced.. Homeowner was in the right for shooting...
Doesn't this kinda prove the point? The case went to trial because they didn't warn the intruder, thus, could be civily/criminally negligent? A different judge/jury may reach a different decision.
What case are you referring to?
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:52 am to stewie
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Doesn't this kinda prove the point? The case went to trial because they didn't warn the intruder, thus, could be civily/criminally negligent? A different judge/jury may reach a different decision.
case never went to trial.. no charges were ever filed.
Not gonna put too many details out - I know for a fact family members of both sides in the event are posters on here.
it was a situation involving and incoherent or incapacitated person - going to the wrong house and trying to get in - somebody in house shot and killed him.
it was in SE la....
Posted on 12/28/12 at 10:54 am to Hammertime
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With that being said, you have an obligation to think correctly enough not to shoot some kid who's ball smashes through your window.
Bingo
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:00 am to choupiquesushi
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Not gonna put too many details out - I know for a fact family members of both sides in the event are posters on here.
Agreed, that does NOT need to and shouldn't be posted. I thought you were referring to a specific recorded case.
It's all a very fact specific inquiry, the point was to provide insight on other possible consequences.
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 11:01 am
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:04 am to stewie
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Agreed, that does NOT need to and shouldn't be posted. I thought you were referring to a specific recorded case.
It's all a very fact specific inquiry, the point was to provide insight on other possible consequences.
correct.. I had to have a long sobering talk with Lil choupique on why he couldn't roam at night with pellet guns like they do in daytime...... especially cutting through peoples yards....
when you reach for a firearm in defense even though justified and legal - a lot of lives are gonna change when you pull the trigger...
remember when the cop in NoLa shot the plumber?
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 11:04 am
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:11 am to mylsuhat
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it happened in Texas, I KNOW he'll be fine
Castle law.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:12 am to choupiquesushi
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remember when the cop in NoLa shot the plumber?
Unfortunetly, I remember a number of cases where police have shot innocent individuals...justified and unjustified.
I have a vague memory of it, but the specifics are escaping me.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:20 am to stewie
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Unfortunetly, I remember a number of cases where police have shot innocent individuals...justified and unjustified.
I have a vague memory of it, but the specifics are escaping me.
late 70s.. bank robbery in jefferson parish... suspect escaped on foot.. massive influx of JPSO into area.. many raised houses...
kids said they saw a man go under house over there and point.. - plumbers truck is parked on side of house - where cops at scene cannot see from where they are.. they see shadows moving under house..
draw weapoons.. .tell person under house come out with hands up - person under house turns with tools in hand...says something nobody understands...BOOM BOOM BOOM... plumber is dead.
I went to school with a family member of the plumber - later worked with daughter of the cop that shot... and actually worked with him briefly as well...
that shot ruined a good career of man that likely could have been sheriff in JP... ruined his marriage....
not to mention the chaos and problem caused to the family of the plumber.
I was also real good friends with the person that was the cops supervisor at the time and he even said in that situation - he would have shot as well.... tragic on all counts....
and the bank robber was caught - he was someone that had been convicted in the past of numerous crimes and should have long ago - been locked up...yeah.. he himself didn't kill anyone but he inadvertantly killed people...
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:28 am to choupiquesushi
[quote]that shot ruined a good career of man that likely could have been sheriff in JP quote]
Very unfortunate things happen to good people.
Being in the late 70's it's a little before my time in all honesty.
Very unfortunate things happen to good people.
Being in the late 70's it's a little before my time in all honesty.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 11:36 am to stewie
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Chalk one up for the good guys!
[quote]that shot ruined a good career of man that likely could have been sheriff in JP quote]
Very unfortunate things happen to good people.
Being in the late 70's it's a little before my time in all honesty.
I was 13 or 14 when it happened and I remember being at a parade on bonnabel and vets when a drunk yelled don't shoot I'm a plumber... at a bunch of JPs standing around....
they beat the ever living tar out of that guy.... and this was RIGHT after like maybe a month....after the shooting.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:15 pm to Redfish2010
One thing I learned doing CHL class in Texas is that ALL gun cases go before a grand jury, regardless.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:19 pm to stewie
quote:Dealt with the attorneys and prosecutors on this.
There is a bounty of case law in Louisiana and across the country stating that you, as the homeowner, have an obligation to warn the intruder before shooting in self-defense.
When a Castle Doctrine law is passed, all that past case law goes out the window, null and void, kaput, gone, nada, to the trash heap, not worth the paper it's written on, etc.
The guy forcibly entering the home is the cause of action, not the homeowner squeezing the trigger (a human right).
Translation...no liability...criminal nor civil. Period.
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:21 pm to BlownderLSU
quote:Not to sound crazy or disgusting, but what incentives does that give the homeowner?
One thing I learned doing CHL class in Texas is that ALL gun cases go before a grand jury, regardless.
If I knew that, I would want to be the only witness if I had a chance of going to jail or paying some crook that I maimed when he broke into my hosie
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:25 pm to stewie
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Also, cheering for the death of another person based on an incident which you really know nothing about (other than a short newspaper clipping) is sad.
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heard glass breaking in his condo. He went to investigate and found a man entering through the window.
Not sure what more you need to know.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:32 pm to CoastieGM
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When a Castle Doctrine law is passed, all that past case law goes out the window, null and void, kaput, gone, nada, to the trash heap, not worth the paper it's written on, etc.
The guy forcibly entering the home is the cause of action, not the homeowner squeezing the trigger.
Translation...no liability...criminal nor civil. Period.
With all due respect, it's far more complicated than that.
As stated, it is a fact specific inquiry. Every case is very different from the next and a blanket rule that a homeowner is never liable/guilty is simply not accurate.
That's all I'm going to say in response to this.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 1:37 pm to mylsuhat
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Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton gonna be pissed
Yea since the home owner was black. It happened in Houston and interviewed him on the news.
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