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re: Screw Rotten Tomatoes overall %, what did the M/TV board think of The Hobbit
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:16 pm to kingbob
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:16 pm to kingbob
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At the New York Premiere of The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey, Vulture spoke to Philippa Boyens and Peter Jackson about the absence of Gandalf’s backstory from the film. In particular, they delved into why there’s no insight into why Gandalf assists the Dwarf company, and how he obtained the map and key of Thrain. Read on below the cut for some spoilery answers that hint at what we can anticipate for The Desolation of Smaug. “Good storytelling-spotting!” Boyens said, when we asked why we didn’t see Thráin, father of Dwarf leader Thorin Oakenshield and one of the bearers of a Ring of Power, give Gandalf the map and key. (Gandalf had found Thráin near death at Dol Guldur.) “We did try it at the front of this movie, and then we moved it,” she said. Does that mean we’ll see that moment in a flashback or prologue to The Desolation of Smaug? “Yes, it’s very important that we’re going to be doing that. We will be meeting Thráin, and it may be in unfortunate circumstances. It may involve torture. The discovery of who or what is in Dol Guldur” — i.e., Sauron, known only at this point as the Necromancer — “is a fantastic part of the storytelling, so yes, of course we went there.”
:fap: :fap: :fap: :fap: :fap:
This why I'm fricking excited they are doing 3 movies
This post was edited on 12/28/12 at 12:18 pm
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Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:22 pm to CP3LSU25
quote:appendices :FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP:
This why I'm fricking excited they are doing 3 movies
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:27 pm to Fearthehat0307
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:FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP::FAP:
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:27 pm to Fearthehat0307
one other minor gripe; saruman seemed a bit too much like senator palpatin for my tastes in this movie.
i understood he was still a pretty good guy at the time the hobbit took place.
the hobbit scenes at rivendell made me feel like he was already up in sauron's arse.
i understood he was still a pretty good guy at the time the hobbit took place.
the hobbit scenes at rivendell made me feel like he was already up in sauron's arse.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:41 pm to CAD703X
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one other minor gripe; saruman seemed a bit too much like senator palpatin for my tastes in this movie.
A little Count Dooku for me, actually.
Posted on 12/28/12 at 12:48 pm to Pectus
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A little Count Dooku for me, actually.
touche
Posted on 12/30/12 at 3:54 pm to CAD703X
Bump for the number 1 movie in the country 3 weeks in a row.
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:31 pm to CAD703X
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i understood he was still a pretty good guy at the time the hobbit took place.
That scene was from the appendices, not from the book, but by that time Saruman was already crooked. Galadriel and Gandalph already knew this at that point. That kind of showed in how the two talked to each other outside of spoken word and what Saruman was trying to convince them in regards to th necromancer.
Didn't realize it but the guy on the giant moose was Legolas' dad. Just something my buddy told me that really is pointless information
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:44 pm to iwyLSUiwy
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That scene was from the appendices, not from the book, but by that time Saruman was already crooked. Galadriel and Gandalph already knew this at that point. That kind of showed in how the two talked to each other outside of spoken word and what Saruman was trying to convince them in regards to th necromancer.
That does make more sense now. I didn't know if he had gone bad yet.
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Didn't realize it but the guy on the giant moose was Legolas' dad. Just something my buddy told me that really is pointless information
That's awesome
Posted on 12/30/12 at 4:58 pm to iwyLSUiwy
thought it was great, don't care about the critics
Posted on 12/31/12 at 10:58 am to iwyLSUiwy
I almost hate to admit it, even to myself, but I was moderately disappointed in the movie.
I thought it was very sluggish getting started. From the older Bilbo sequence at the very beginning through the dwarves in his house sequence it just didn't seem to flow very well at all for me.
Perhaps what bothered me most was that I found McKellan's performance very flat, especially after the brilliant way he played Gadalf throughout LOTR. Perhaps it was age catching up with him but I just didn't think his performance seemed inspired at all. Same with Christopher Lee in his brief appearance. Though in his case I'm pretty sure it WAS affected by his age.
Even the action sequences were hit and miss for me. Some parts were pretty good (the Trolls in particular) but a lot just seemed too cluttered and ill focused. And the constant falling on portions of bridges through the Misty mountain "tunnels" and in general falling long distances without any injuries took me out of my suspension of disbelief more than once.
And one that's been thrown around back and forth on here - Radaghast. Not horrible but I didn't really care for the way they presented him.
There were things I did like. Martin Freeman did well as Bilbo in my opinion.
The encounter with Gollum was very well done also. (Though I did have trouble following his voice - if I hadn't read through that section of the book recently, I don't know if I would have understood much of what he said during the riddle game). Bilbo's decision not to kill Gollum was depicted excellently IMO.
I thought overall the Dwarves were well presented. Especially Balin. And I didn't have a problem with them Hollywood-ing up Thorin and Fili and Kili. I thought Thorin's back story was well done and his evolving attitude towards Bilbo, while it could have been better wasn't bad.
I thought the movie did gain steam as it went along which bodes well for the next two or at least gives me hope.
I thought it was very sluggish getting started. From the older Bilbo sequence at the very beginning through the dwarves in his house sequence it just didn't seem to flow very well at all for me.
Perhaps what bothered me most was that I found McKellan's performance very flat, especially after the brilliant way he played Gadalf throughout LOTR. Perhaps it was age catching up with him but I just didn't think his performance seemed inspired at all. Same with Christopher Lee in his brief appearance. Though in his case I'm pretty sure it WAS affected by his age.
Even the action sequences were hit and miss for me. Some parts were pretty good (the Trolls in particular) but a lot just seemed too cluttered and ill focused. And the constant falling on portions of bridges through the Misty mountain "tunnels" and in general falling long distances without any injuries took me out of my suspension of disbelief more than once.
And one that's been thrown around back and forth on here - Radaghast. Not horrible but I didn't really care for the way they presented him.
There were things I did like. Martin Freeman did well as Bilbo in my opinion.
The encounter with Gollum was very well done also. (Though I did have trouble following his voice - if I hadn't read through that section of the book recently, I don't know if I would have understood much of what he said during the riddle game). Bilbo's decision not to kill Gollum was depicted excellently IMO.
I thought overall the Dwarves were well presented. Especially Balin. And I didn't have a problem with them Hollywood-ing up Thorin and Fili and Kili. I thought Thorin's back story was well done and his evolving attitude towards Bilbo, while it could have been better wasn't bad.
I thought the movie did gain steam as it went along which bodes well for the next two or at least gives me hope.
This post was edited on 12/31/12 at 11:02 am
Posted on 12/31/12 at 11:23 am to Methuselah
The first ten minutes or so, up until the dwarves arrived, was the part I didn't care for the most. I liked the intro but I didnt like old Bilbo narrating it, though I guess he had to though. The saving grace for that was when he said word for word the beginning of the book. I thought that was cool. but in that span Gandalfs character was odd. He was very childish, different from any Gandalf from the LOTR(even in TFOtR) and any of what we saw of him the rest of the movie.
That and how incredibly long the goblin chase was. I don't care for the movie being long, I wouldn't have cared if it was longer, but that needed to be cut down.
Outside of those two things, I really enjoyed the rest of the movie. And they weren't enough to make me have a negative view towards the movie at all.
That and how incredibly long the goblin chase was. I don't care for the movie being long, I wouldn't have cared if it was longer, but that needed to be cut down.
Outside of those two things, I really enjoyed the rest of the movie. And they weren't enough to make me have a negative view towards the movie at all.
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:50 pm to iwyLSUiwy
the screener for this has leaked if anyone is interested
Posted on 1/1/13 at 7:59 pm to OMLandshark
I enjoyed it. a lot more action than I thought there would be. will gimley make an appearance?
Posted on 1/1/13 at 10:27 pm to Byron Bojangles III
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I enjoyed it. a lot more action than I thought there would be. will gimley make an appearance?
I heard Gimley doesn't make an appearance he thought after LOTR he was done with it.
Really miss him and Legolas back and forth.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 10:50 pm to CP3LSU25
Going see it in IMAX tomorrow night. I originally saw it in normal view.
Posted on 1/2/13 at 11:31 pm to CP3LSU25
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I heard Gimley doesn't make an appearance he thought after LOTR he was done with it. Really miss him and Legolas back and forth.
I'm not that familiar with the appendecies and other Tolkien middle earth stuff outside of The Hobbit and LOTR's proper. I know this is set many decades before LOTR begins (I think 60 years?).
Do the appencecies say anything about whether Gimli or Legolas were involved in any way in the events at the time of The Hobbit? Particuluarly
-- SPOILERS --
The Battle of the 5 armies? Or for Legolas, maybe the capture of the Dwarves by the Elf King?
With the long life spans of most races in Middle Earth I'm sure it's possible. But I just don't know enough to know whether it is ever mentioned.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 12:01 am to Methuselah
Spoilers Answers below. I guess.
Yeah Gimli is related to Thorin I in some way but I'm not sure exactly how, he was Kili and Fili's cousin. I knew this at one point. But it's not a grandfather, great grandfather type deal I'm pretty sure. Also, Tolkien never mention Legolas fighting in the battle. So I guess maybe a no since it wasn't mentioned.
Yeah Gimli is related to Thorin I in some way but I'm not sure exactly how, he was Kili and Fili's cousin. I knew this at one point. But it's not a grandfather, great grandfather type deal I'm pretty sure. Also, Tolkien never mention Legolas fighting in the battle. So I guess maybe a no since it wasn't mentioned.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:03 am to Methuselah
Finally saw it this past weekend. I really liked it a lot, but this:
..bothered the frick out of me several times. I mean, I'm all for suspensions of belief, but some of the inside-the-mountain scenes were laughable in terms of believability. This bridge falls perfectly onto that one, and then onto another one, whatever...but then all of them fall hundreds (thousands even) of feet down to the bottom and not a single person is hurt...not even a little bit. And that's on top of the bridge actually staying together the whole way down and all that.
And I know, it's a movie about magic and dwarves and dragons and all that...I get that. But some of those scenes in the mountain really took me out of the movie.
But aside from that, I really enjoyed it. I liked the intro and that they at least explain some of what's going on so that nonreaders can kinda have a clue...similar to the openings to the Star Wars movies I guess. I'd like to see it one more time in theaters, but I don't think I will. And I do like how they ended it..similar to the LotR films, where they still had a climax, so to speak, but also managed to leave it on a bit of a cliffhanger.
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And the constant falling on portions of bridges through the Misty mountain "tunnels" and in general falling long distances without any injuries took me out of my suspension of disbelief more than once.
..bothered the frick out of me several times. I mean, I'm all for suspensions of belief, but some of the inside-the-mountain scenes were laughable in terms of believability. This bridge falls perfectly onto that one, and then onto another one, whatever...but then all of them fall hundreds (thousands even) of feet down to the bottom and not a single person is hurt...not even a little bit. And that's on top of the bridge actually staying together the whole way down and all that.
And I know, it's a movie about magic and dwarves and dragons and all that...I get that. But some of those scenes in the mountain really took me out of the movie.
But aside from that, I really enjoyed it. I liked the intro and that they at least explain some of what's going on so that nonreaders can kinda have a clue...similar to the openings to the Star Wars movies I guess. I'd like to see it one more time in theaters, but I don't think I will. And I do like how they ended it..similar to the LotR films, where they still had a climax, so to speak, but also managed to leave it on a bit of a cliffhanger.
Posted on 1/3/13 at 7:39 am to CocomoLSU
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Even the action sequences were hit and miss for me. Some parts were pretty good (the Trolls in particular) but a lot just seemed too cluttered and ill focused. And the constant falling on portions of bridges through the Misty mountain "tunnels" and in general falling long distances without any injuries took me out of my suspension of disbelief more than once.
i said this exact thing. yes its a fantasy movie and these are strong people but shite when you fall hundreds of feet and bounce off rocks and bridges on your way down and then you hit the ground and just get right back up and start running thats a bit much.
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