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TigerCLT
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More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


Of the 14 SEC teams -- excluding UK, UT and LSU -- only UGA, Bama, UF and Arky operate/will operate power-run/pro-style offenses. USCe is somewhere between spread and pro, I guess.

That means the others -- Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou, A&M, Moo State and Vandy -- run/will run spread/read-option offenses. You could add the Vols to this list if it they hire Rich Rod.

My question: Is the further influx of make-you-dizzy, spread-offense systems in the SEC good or bad news for LSU's defense?

I feel like LSU coaches are generally more concerned with stopping power-run/pro-style teams than corralling spread-option teams. LSU has/recruits DLs, LBs and DBs who play both systems well. Chavis' system also seems adaptable to defending both styles (more DL emphasis vs. Bama; more DB emphasis vs. A&M). Not many other teams can say that.

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xxKylexx
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


Outside of A&M, which one of those offenses really scares you? You need defense to compete in the SEC. This spread stuff and trying to outscore opponents doesn't work here.





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TopWaterTiger
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


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Of the 14 SEC teams -- excluding UK, UT and LSU -- only UGA, Bama, UF and Arky operate/will operate power-run/pro-style offenses. USCe is somewhere between spread and pro, I guess.


Lost me right here. Why are we excluding UK, UT, and LSU?






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Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou, A&M, Moo State and Vandy


Wow. Real SEC powerhouses here.






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TeagleTheBeagle
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


I think our style of defense, meaning a 4-3 with smaller, faster guys, are much more suited to stop a spread offense versus a big hulking one like bama's 3-4.





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TigerCLT
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


UK -- not sure what system Stoops will run; UT -- still no coach; LSU -- well, LSU doesn't play itself.





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oauron
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


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Why are we excluding UK, UT


You exclude them because we do not know what their offenses will be without an offensive coordinator hired.






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TigerCLT
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


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Auburn, Ole Miss, Mizzou, A&M, Moo State and Vandy


Wow. Real SEC powerhouses here.


Well, Auburn was rolling pretty good with sCam and Gus. And did you see what Ole Miss did in TS this season?






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Teddy Ruxpin
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


What it seems like to me is:

Fast spread offenses are great if you score.

However, they come with two related problems.

You score fast, your defense gets on the field quicker.

Your failed drives end faster, therefore putting your defense on the field faster.

If a team with a defense can stop the spread, the game slowly but surely starts rolling downhill, as the fast quick scoring spread team's defense gets worn out.

Its a great offense against teams that have a similar defensive or weaker defense than yourself. Against the best defenses, you are you're own worst enemy.






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LSU GrandDad
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re: More spread offense heading to SEC: Good or bad news for LSU?


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Outside of A&M, which one of those offenses really scares you


the spread and johnny manzel are 2 different things. it really doesn't matter what offense jff runs, the dude is the new michael vick. his runs toward the end of the season were not designed plays, but busted plays or plays when his wr's were covered. people really don't know what the spread is and every team plays some form of it during almost every game. the "option read" is not the spread.






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ATLTiger
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LSU has/recruits DLs, LBs and DBs who play both systems well. Chavis' system also seems adaptable to defending both styles


there you have it. we're just as comfortable in a base 4-3 as we are in the 'stang. we'll be aight.






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tiger1014
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only UGA, Bama, UF and Arky operate/will operate power-run/pro-style offenses


Well excluding Arkansas, all I can say is "follow the trophies"






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twk
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What it seems like to me is: Fast spread offenses are great if you score. However, they come with two related problems. You score fast, your defense gets on the field quicker. Your failed drives end faster, therefore putting your defense on the field faster. If a team with a defense can stop the spread, the game slowly but surely starts rolling downhill, as the fast quick scoring spread team's defense gets worn out. Its a great offense against teams that have a similar defensive or weaker defense than yourself. Against the best defenses, you are you're own worst enemy.
I think you're on the right track, but the key to successfully running the spread in the SEC, to my mind, isn't just scoring, but rather, it's 3rd down conversions. Explosive scoring plays are nice, but as you point out, they put your defense back on the field. But, string together 10 plays, whether you do it by power running or throwing the ball, and you're not only going to wear down the opposing defense, you're going to give yours a respite.

What makes Manziel so great is his ability to convert on 3rd down. He had less success doing this against Florida and LSU. A&M's 3rd down conversions were what allowed them to win the game against Bama. They had a handful of explosive plays, but moving the chains made the difference.






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AlwysATgr
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Our success vs spread O's in the Chavis era has been pretty good (I realize that "spread" O's come in different flavors).

We were great against Oregon and TA&M (post-adjustments). Ok vs WVU and Cam/AU (gave up lots of yds but not a lot of points). But for reasons unbeknownst we have been smoked by OM the last two times in TS (36 pts in '10 and 35 pts in '12 with yds to go with it).

I think Chief has a good feel for how to defense these and I also think D's are still maturing in this regard.






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Mayhawman
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Well excluding Arkansas, all I can say is "follow the trophies"
Not so fast my friend, the trophy version of UF was more spread than pro with lots of speed and read.






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bmy
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good news





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droliver
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LSU and Alabama haven't had that much trouble with the spread teams if you look at their records. With Bama at least, it's been more about running into some special individuals having great days (Tebow, Cam Newton, Manziel) that have been able to knock them off rather then just some version of the spread. These were all very close games we lost that could just have easily gone the other way.





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MountainTiger
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What it seems like to me is:

Fast spread offenses are great if you score.

However, they come with two related problems.

You score fast, your defense gets on the field quicker.

Your failed drives end faster, therefore putting your defense on the field faster.

If a team with a defense can stop the spread, the game slowly but surely starts rolling downhill, as the fast quick scoring spread team's defense gets worn out.

Its a great offense against teams that have a similar defensive or weaker defense than yourself. Against the best defenses, you are your own worst enemy.

This is almost a play-by-play of the Oregon game last year.






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droliver
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I think the spread plays into LSU's strengths (and Bama's to a lesser degree) as their athletes are usually the best on the field. It seems like the spread offenses are so much about momentum. If you can get some stops and have your offense eat clock, they seem dramtically less threatening. When you're offense goes 3 & out and the spread team is hot, things can get out of control quick (see 1st quarter Texas A&M vs. Bama)





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Gus Tinsley
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You could add the Vols to this list if it they hire Rich Rod.


First I have heard of this...but as good as the others they have spoken to.






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