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North Dakota Considers Ending Property Taxes


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They argue that the tax is unpredictable, inconsistent, counter to the concept of property ownership and needless in a state that, thanks in part to wildly successful oil drilling, finds itself in the rare circumstance of carrying budget reserves.

When,” Ms. Beehler asked, “did we come to believe that government should get rich and we should get poor?









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Lsut81
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In theory its a good idea, but they will have to come up with another source of income to pay the bills.

I think I read that property taxes bring in around 800m in North Dakota.

Will they up the sales tax to compensate?






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RollTide4Ever
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Maybe bring the costs of gov't down?





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slim thug
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I bet they tax the production of oil and/or natural gas to make up the difference.


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Maybe bring the costs of gov't down?


Apparently they are currently balanced, but the Republican Governor is against this because they will need to make up that 800m in another form.

Again, I'd personally be all for no property tax and a strict flat tax or increased sales tax so that everyone is contributing equally, not only the homeowners.






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I think I read that property taxes bring in around 800m in North Dakota.

Will they up the sales tax to compensate?


They are in an oil boom, so I believe they are expecting the money from that to more than make up the shortfall.

I also like the idea of shrinking government to compensate for the lowered revenues.






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I was half listening when rush was talking about this yesterday. Correct me if I'm wrong, but the state is running a big surplus (so bills will be paid without the tax), but polling suggests that the tax will stay. The north Dakotans are uncertain if their oil money will runout after another 4 years of Obama.







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WikiTiger
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Property taxes are probably one of the most anti-liberty things we do in this country.

The idea that you have to pay the local lord a tribute for the privilege of keeping your property should make people sick.






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Lsut81
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north Dakotans are uncertain if their oil money will runout after another 4 years of Obama.


Exactly... It would be stupid for them to rely on the Oil money when there is no certainty of what will happen in the future. I'd be one pissed off homeowner if I didn't have that tax for 2 yrs then all of a sudden they instituted it to make up the difference and I owned $2k+ on my 2015 return.






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slim thug
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but, like, roads, bruhhhh





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N.O. via West-Cal
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I would not do away with the property tax. It is a stable form of revenues unlike income tax. Reduce the millages if running a surplus but do not do away with it. I would do the same with sales taxes. reduce them but keep them on the books. Avoid income taxes at all if you can. I believe that this formula is the one that leads to the best state governance.





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Again, I'd personally be all for no property tax and a strict flat tax or increased sales tax so that everyone is contributing equally, not only the homeowners.



There's the added benefit of hammering the travelling oilfield and pipeline hands who have no intention of settling down in North Dakota.






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Lsut81
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There's the added benefit of hammering the travelling oilfield and pipeline hands who have no intention of settling down in North Dakota.



Yeah, but what happens when regulations kill the industry or those companies up and leave? Then you begin hammering homeowners again.

I think theres a happy median that can be accomplished.






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shinerfan
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You're expecting politicians to take a longterm view?





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You're expecting politicians to take a longterm view?


True, what was I thinking






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"Property taxes are probably one of the most anti-liberty things we do in this country."

isn't this an emotional response more than anything else? I have a hard time seeing how a property tax is any more anti-liberty than sales or income taxes. All taxes are anti-liberty, but unless you are anarchist, we must have them to some degree. Property taxes are relatively stable and something I like about them is that property owners are, relatively speaking, more attuned to what the tax is and able to push back against excessive taxation. In contrast, it seems that sales taxes fly beneath radar. Much better to me to finance state governments through property and sales taxes than to rely on income taxes, which can be volatile and act as a disincentive to business.

Note: Property taxes are much fairer than you think as renters have the tax figured into their rent.






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The idea that you have to pay the local lord a tribute for the privilege of keeping your property should make people sick.


I get what your saying but I prefer property taxes over income; especially at the local level.






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isn't this an emotional response more than anything else?


not at all.

paying the local lord for the "privilege" of "owning" land is appalling and is anti-liberty to the core. nothing emotional about that at all.

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I have a hard time seeing how a property tax is any more anti-liberty than sales or income taxes.


I despise all those taxes, but property taxes are worse because of the very real threat of losing your home.

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but unless you are anarchist


I am.



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"I despise all those taxes, but property taxes are worse because of the very real threat of losing your home."

A fair point, I suppose, but not paying other forms of tax can result in the loss of your very liberty itself as you will be jailed. Plus, many states, consistent with liberty, have erected numerous barriers to the taking homes due to nonpayment of property taxes. All in all, I just can't see how it is more injurious to liberty than other forms of taxation - and may be less so.

"I am [an anarchist]."

Ah. Well, carry on then.






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but not paying other forms of tax can result in the loss of your very liberty itself as you will be jailed.


The difference is that you can legally choose to avoid sales and income taxes if there are no property taxes.

In other words, you can live truly free of taxation if there were no property taxes by working the land for yourself - grow your own crops, tend to your own livestock, etc.

Property taxes remove the ability of an individual to choose that path. It forces people to participate in the system, which is what the state ultimately wants.






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