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Career Advice: Keep looking or back to school?

Posted on 11/28/11 at 10:42 am
Posted by WhoDatBammer
T-Town
Member since Jun 2009
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Posted on 11/28/11 at 10:42 am
Here's my situation: JD, passed AL Bar. 2 months out from results, no job hits. Legal job market sucks, as advertised. I enjoy law, but I'm not married to it. B.A. in Poli Sci (useless). I have no debt, and have enough liquid assets from inheritance to stay on the market a long while, or to go back to school.

What would the MB do? Try to get a job in sales or something, wait it out, or go back to school? If school, what kind of graduate program is a smart move at this point? I'm not at all convinced more education is a smart move in this economy, but I'm not opposed to it.

TIA.
Posted by NukemVol
Member since Jan 2010
1633 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 11:52 am to
I'm not sure if this applies to JDs, but I would say wait 9 months before you reconsider school, but after 3 months start looking for short term employment outside of your career path if necessary. Something that says I stayed busy.
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 8:05 pm
Posted by GumboPot
Member since Mar 2009
118761 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:00 pm to
quote:

I enjoy law, but I'm not married to it.


Keep doing what you love. There are not many things worse than doing something for the rest of your life and you hate it. Of course you have to to weigh the good (high pay) with the bad (shitty work) for each situation. If you love what you're doing keep doing it...things will turn in your favor if you are persistent.

Good luck.
Posted by CalTiger
California
Member since Jan 2004
3997 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:05 pm to
If you
1.enjoy your line of work/study
2.have money to tide you over
3.young with no commitments
then
1. Try for an unpaid/low paid internship - no matter what they say - every company is happy to do this. There are lot of non-profit /community/civic organizations that are more than happy to get help from those who have passed the Bar.

2. If not full time school , take part time courses in related fields or even computer related i.e. legal document/records management systems. Someone with working knowledge of the actual document system and the legal knowledge of the profession will be an asset to a corporate body if not to a law firm.

3. If you like the work at the organization or the courses that you took - then you can consider doing a part time or full time masters in it.
Don't jump into getting a masters without knowing whether you like that specialization. It is better to take your time and see if you like it than to do it and then regret wasting time or doing a half hearted shoddy job.

Good Luck
Posted by Wanksta123
Member since Mar 2010
29 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 12:12 pm to
Take classes to become CPA exam eligible?

Join the military?

Start a band?

Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38971 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:06 pm to
I went to a software training course recently and talked with a degreed engineer who went the internship route after college. After 4 months he was offered a job and after two more he transferred into the department he wanted. I know that may not be the case in your field, but I was surprised that the market is creating this type atmosphere.
Posted by saltydawg
corn country
Member since Sep 2011
1937 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 1:26 pm to
What areas of law are you interested in? More importantly, what areas could you see yourself practicing?

What about looking for an ADA job? Around here, seems like there's always high turnover in that position -- not great money but a good way to get familiar with the criminal defense system in practice and make some connections. I assume the market is about the same in Bama.

ETA: Also, consider taking another bar exam, maybe GA or FL. FL in particular is a big state with a diverse legal market and the bar admission req's are more demanding than almost everywhere else. If at any point you could see yourself practicing in FL, now might be a great time to sit for the bar (much easier when you're right out of school than 10 or 20 years down the road).
This post was edited on 11/28/11 at 1:35 pm
Posted by WhoDatBammer
T-Town
Member since Jun 2009
374 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:44 pm to
Thanks for the input, guys. I really appreciate it.

I suppose I'll wait it out a while longer, go with the limited leads I have now, and look to volunteer somewhere at the beginning of the year if I don't have anything by then.
Posted by GFunk
Denham Springs
Member since Feb 2011
14966 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 3:47 pm to
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Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63313 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 5:05 pm to
Did you ever say what type of law you wanted to specialize in?
Posted by WhoDatBammer
T-Town
Member since Jun 2009
374 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 8:35 pm to
Realistically, I'm interested in anything I can find, given the market.

I ultimately want to hang a shingle and practice primarily family law with an emphasis on mediation. Just dont feel like I'm in a place to that right now without a little courtroom experience of some sort.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
63313 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 9:46 pm to
quote:

I ultimately want to hang a shingle and practice primarily family law with an emphasis on mediation. Just dont feel like I'm in a place to that right now without a little courtroom experience of some sort.


Are there no entry-level jobs, outside of law, that might give you additional insight into that practice area--such as social services or the like--that could be useful down the road (or, at least, on a resume)?
Posted by wrlakers
Member since Sep 2007
5748 posts
Posted on 11/28/11 at 9:50 pm to
quote:

Career Advice


Here's a hint. Now is not the time to get a job in law. I'm not talking economy, although I am aware how bad it is right now. I mean that no associate is going to leave a job right before December-when bonuses are paid. They'll wait and get the bonus, then bail when they are upset about the amount or whatever. January and February are better times to get the job. So, if I were you, I'd wait a little longer.

Second, you might try getting a little work with one of those part time rent-a-lawyer deals. That could turn into something permanent. The ADA job above was also a good idea. Or even public defender. Also, don't limit yourself to your immediate geographic area unless you're unwilling to move. There may be jobs elsewhere if there are none where you are.

Third, if you truly are interested in family law, you should know that most family law firms are small, many times just one lawyer or just a couple. That means there are a lot of places for you to look. You just have to get in touch with the right one. Even in a bad economy, people get divorced. You might wait until January and then send your resume to every family law firm you can find. Close relative of family law is probate law. Also common to have a small shop, so plenty of places to apply.

That's all I have. Good luck.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:12 am to
If you are interested in job security for the long haul and getting hired in a law field while always being marketable, I would suggest getting a Masters in Tax to go along with your JD. Should be less than a 1 year program. Bama has a great MTA program (friend went though it few years ago). Tax attorneys are pretty much always in demand no matter what and are well paid. Also, international tax is a HUGE issue right now and I personnally know international tax attorneys have been cleaning up with more work than they can handle ever since the FBAR stuff. And it is an area that the demand for the services is still extremely strong and pay is very strong as well.
This post was edited on 11/29/11 at 9:13 am
Posted by MStant1
Houston, TX
Member since Sep 2010
4529 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:16 am to
Have you considered looking into areas such as Compliance, Anti-Money Laundering or Fraud? These areas aren't specifically legal professions, but they do love their JDs. The job market is still pretty good in these areas depending on where you want to live.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 9:18 am to
quote:

Have you considered looking into areas such as Compliance, Anti-Money Laundering or Fraud? These areas aren't specifically legal professions, but they do love their JDs. The job market is still pretty good in these areas depending on where you want to live.


Agree with this as well.
Posted by WhoDatBammer
T-Town
Member since Jun 2009
374 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:47 am to
quote:

Have you considered looking into areas such as Compliance, Anti-Money Laundering or Fraud? These areas aren't specifically legal professions, but they do love their JDs. The job market is still pretty good in these areas depending on where you want to live.


When you say Anti Money Laundering and Fraud, do you mean looking into law enforcement (FBI etc?)
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 10:52 am to
Treasury Department and their Financial Crimes Enforcement Division would be my suggestion. Greatly expanded area since FBAR reporting expanded (and is expanding further next year).
Posted by WhoDatBammer
T-Town
Member since Jun 2009
374 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 11:09 am to
Thanks! I checked out FinCen. They don't have current postings, but it appears that's sort of cyclical so I'll certainly keep my eye on the website.
Posted by Tiger n Miami AU83
Miami
Member since Oct 2007
45656 posts
Posted on 11/29/11 at 11:15 am to
FinCen was very active earlier this year (at least as far as issuing regulations, new rules, enforcement etc - not sure about when the hiring occurred). My only concern there is federal budget cuts. The FBAR initiative and voluntary disclosure programs have been an absolute cash cow for the government the past two years. Those have pretty much run their course and by the end of the year all the amnesty is done and the government will shift towards criminal prosecutions. Plus the reporting is expanding (albeit a not significantly next year). I would really expect litigation (criminal) to increase over the next few years as oppossed to the settlements / amnesty the government has been offering. The only question would be whether the people that have been handling the voluntary disclosures are also equiped to handle the criminal litigation. Again, government spending cuts are the main concern there.
This post was edited on 11/29/11 at 11:19 am
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