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re: So wildlife and fisheries can basically do whatever they want?

Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:33 pm to
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:33 pm to
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I think you miss the point. Its not the agents that nit pick. They dont make the rules, just enforce them. If you feel its unfair to get a citation for something dont blame the agent. He didnt make that rule.
I don't think you get it at all. The Magistrates know dickfrick about hunting. They take the agents word every time with no room for equity. BTW, don't carry ducks for anyone.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:35 pm to
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If you feel its unfair to get a citation for something dont blame the agent.


Ah the old "just doing his job" defense. I support upholding the law, but if you are trying to tell me an officer doesn't exercise discretion when enforcing the laws, then you are just wrong.

I won't be mad at the citation, but I sure as hell can be mad when someone chooses to exercise their discretion against me.
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:37 pm to
and the buddies didn't admit to killing some of the ducks? that doesn't make any sense.
so if i unload an ice chest of 50 trout with 2 people still in the truck, well then that means the agent is thinking that i caught them all...
Posted by BayouTiger71
Pineville, LA
Member since Dec 2004
157 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:07 pm to
I am not criticizing them, but legislative statutes allow LDWF agents to search your vehicle and home without probable cause.

A LDWF biologist employee.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:08 pm to
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and the buddies didn't admit to killing some of the ducks?
He would not listen.
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that doesn't make any sense.
I know.
Posted by FalseProphet
Mecca
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:11 pm to
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but legislative statutes allow LDWF agents to search your vehicle and home without probable cause.


I'm too lazy to go back and read the statute, but I'm pretty sure it said probable cause was a necessary predicate.

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[A]ny commissioned wildlife enforcement agent of the enforcement division may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without search warrant, ... boat, ..., car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, ..., or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 7:12 pm
Posted by REB BEER
Laffy Yet
Member since Dec 2010
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:25 pm to
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I'm too lazy to go back and read the statute, but I'm pretty sure it said probable cause was a necessary predicate


But you have to remember, "probable cause" is subjective. And the courts tend to favor the GW.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19688 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:51 pm to
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AlxTgr



If it really happened like you're saying, its a bullshite case/charge.
Posted by brass2mouth
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 7:54 pm to
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Flair Chops



I can't give you the exact fine amount, but I believe (havent looked it up) that hunting with a non primitive weapon during primitive weapon season is a class III misdemeanor which is a $450-900 fine + CC and anything forfeited.
Posted by AlxTgr
Kyre Banorg
Member since Oct 2003
81627 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 8:09 pm to
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If it really happened like you're saying, its a bullshite case/charge.
Yeah, it was.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:01 pm to
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dont exercise discretion


As I said earlier. Easiest way to do the job is by the book. I find a lot of wardens do this. Other areas of law enforcement don't. I can testify to that. Can't say I've ever heard a time where a game warden was ok with an extra duck or fish.
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19688 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 9:58 pm to
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As for 16 squirrels in freezer that is not possession limit once it home and dressed and stored it is food


Technically, your possession limit doesn't end even if its cleaned and in your freezer.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:00 pm to
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Technically, your possession limit doesn't end even if its cleaned and in your freezer.


Umm you're going to have to explain that to me. I have never seen a rule that says your limited to one days limit at a time.



Ie: You can only kill 3 pigs a day, and 15 per season. Day 1 you shoot all three pigs(thus legal). Day 2 you can take 3 pigs, but if you do you'd be over your limit? That doesn't seem right.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22631 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:06 pm to
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Technically, your possession limit doesn't end even if its cleaned and in your freezer

I will need explanation also. Are you saying that you can only keep one possession limit in you freezer. Thus you can only hunt one day and until you eat what you kill can't kill anymore?
Posted by brass2mouth
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Member since Jul 2007
19688 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:06 pm to
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Umm you're going to have to explain that to me. I have never seen a rule that says your limited to one days limit at a time.



Ie: You can only kill 3 pigs a day, and 15 per season. Day 1 you shoot all three pigs(thus legal). Day 2 you can take 3 pigs, but if you do you'd be over your limit? That doesn't seem right.



Are you referring to LA? Because thats the only state I can speak on.

By the absolute letter of the law, and I have tried to find something different b/c I honestly think its BS. But if you take ducks for example, you shoot 6 teal today then go out tomorrow and shoot 6 more teal, by the absolute letter of the law, you arent supposed to go duck hunting again until you have gotten rid of at least 6 of those birds. Hope that makes more sense to you.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:07 pm to
That's what I get from what he says. I'm definitely going to call them tomorrow at work and ask them(since I need to have some $ transferred form them anyway.)
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22631 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:08 pm to
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By the absolute letter of the law, and I have tried to find something different b/c I honestly think its BS. But if you take ducks for example, you shoot 6 teal today then go out tomorrow and shoot 6 more teal, by the absolute letter of the law, you arent supposed to go duck hunting again until you have gotten rid of at least 6 of those birds. Hope that makes more sense to you.

I think I understand what you are saying but it doesn't make sense.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:09 pm to
What's the season limit on the ducks?
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
19688 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:20 pm to
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I think I understand what you are saying but it doesn't make sense.



The way the law is written, if fricked up, which is why theres confusion. The possession limits do not specify "until reduced to a food product" or anything like that, they simply say "twice the daily bag limit."

So, take the example given already, which is ducks(there is no such thing as a "season limit" in Louisiana).

You shoot 6 teal today, which is your daily bag limit. You cannot go hunting again until tomorrow(which im sure you all knew). So you go tomorrow, and shoot 6 more. Now you have taken two legal daily bag limits, and you have your possession limit as well.

By the letter of the law you cannot go hunting again until you have gotten rid of some of those birds, because you are still at your possession limit of 12.

Its pretty much an unwritten rule that once you're home and have your fish/game cleaned and reduced to a food product that you're fine, but all of this was a result to somebody (cajun i believe) wanting to have an explanation about having more than 16 squirrels in the freezer.
Posted by CajunFootball
Jackson, Mississippi
Member since Oct 2010
19432 posts
Posted on 12/20/11 at 10:24 pm to
I understand better now. I still don't think anyone would prosecute that.
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