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re: So wildlife and fisheries can basically do whatever they want?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:37 pm to REB BEER
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:37 pm to REB BEER
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You theoretically could say you suspect someone is hiding something in their home, or has broken some wildlife law and just make your way right into their house or car.
Completely false. Unless, as I said you're in the field...i.e. the woods/water/side of the road hunting
ETA: Your home is your home, however if I knock on the door and you open it and theres 15 deer hanging in your living room, you have a problem, but that falls under the plain view doctrine.
This post was edited on 12/20/11 at 4:40 pm
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Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:39 pm to brass2mouth
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Completely false. Unless, as I said you're in the field...i.e. the woods/water/side of the road hunting
Then, why did a game warden come in my grandfather's house and write him a ticket for having more than 16 squirrels in his freezer???
He went to court to fight it and guess what? He lost.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:42 pm to REB BEER
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Then, why did a game warden come in my grandfather's house and write him a ticket for having more than 16 squirrels in his freezer???
He went to court to fight it and guess what? He lost.
I would imagine he had a warrant, or your grandfather allowed him entry and then a series of questions turned into your grandfather giving the agent reason to believe he had illegal game in the freezer.
People open up way more doors than they think just by saying "yes" to a few simple questions.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:45 pm to AboveGroundPool
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AboveGroundPool
So wildlife and fisheries can basically do whatever they want?
well they are federal agents, so yes they do have more power than most other law enforcement...they could even stop you for speeding if they wanted to
No... Theynare not all federal agents
And if you read the fine print on most hunting regs and most notably public land you pretty much agree to searches......
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:46 pm to brass2mouth
You may be correct about the simple questions. I was not present, but I'm guessing he didn't lie about anything. The whole family had been there squirrel hunting that weekend, and just left the squirrels there in the freezer without tagging them. I'm sure when the GW asked how many he had in the house pow-pow just told him. I know he tried to explain that there were several hunters there for the weekend that had left theirs, but the GW didn't want to hear it.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:50 pm to REB BEER
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You may be correct about the simple questions. I was not present, but I'm guessing he didn't lie about anything. The whole family had been there squirrel hunting that weekend, and just left the squirrels there in the freezer without tagging them. I'm sure when the GW asked how many he had in the house pow-pow just told him. I know he tried to explain that there were several hunters there for the weekend that had left theirs, but the GW didn't want to hear it.
It happens, some guys are better at the verbal judo than others and have a knack for getting people to admit to something without them ever knowing it. Other times its just people thinking they didnt do anything wrong and just tell the truth and get in a bind.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:51 pm to choupiquesushi
And.....
The rules of probable cause still apply
In many parishes ldwf cannot enforce trespassing not all parishes give them broad jurisdiction....some parishes do....
Bottom line play by the rules no problems...
As for 16 squirrels in freezer that is not possession limit once it home and dressed and stored it is food....in most cases if they really wanna find aomethingnwrong they can
The rules of probable cause still apply
In many parishes ldwf cannot enforce trespassing not all parishes give them broad jurisdiction....some parishes do....
Bottom line play by the rules no problems...
As for 16 squirrels in freezer that is not possession limit once it home and dressed and stored it is food....in most cases if they really wanna find aomethingnwrong they can
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:53 pm to brass2mouth
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It happens, some guys are better at the verbal judo than others and have a knack for getting people to admit to something without them ever knowing it. Other times its just people thinking they didnt do anything wrong and just tell the truth and get in a bind.
This, and the GW already had it out for pow-pow. The GW's family owned this tract of land at one time and fell onto hard times. Pow-pow ended up buying it, and the GW had it out for him ever since.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:55 pm to choupiquesushi
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As for 16 squirrels in freezer that is not possession limit once it home and dressed and stored it is food...
I've argued this point with others before on other websites. Maybe our resident GW will chime in with some clarification.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 4:56 pm to Walt OReilly
So much fail in this thread
if you follow game laws then you have no reason to worry. Every sportsman will agree that some laws are bull shite and a pain in the arse to follow. Keeping that in mind, the laws are there for a reason. If you dont agree with something then there are ways top voice your opinion. Getting ticketed, paying a fine, and losing all hunting rights wont get your point across.
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Bill OReilly
if you follow game laws then you have no reason to worry. Every sportsman will agree that some laws are bull shite and a pain in the arse to follow. Keeping that in mind, the laws are there for a reason. If you dont agree with something then there are ways top voice your opinion. Getting ticketed, paying a fine, and losing all hunting rights wont get your point across.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 5:00 pm to REB BEER
quote:From Westlaw:
I know you can't believe everything you read on the inernet, but this comes from Wikipedia.
La. R.S. 56:55(A):
[A]ny commissioned wildlife enforcement agent of the enforcement division may visit, inspect, and examine, with or without search warrant, ... boat, ..., car, conveyance, automobile or other vehicle, ..., or any place of deposit for wild birds, wild quadrupeds, fish, or other aquatic life or any parts thereof whenever there is probable cause to believe that a violation has occurred.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 5:04 pm to AlxTgr
Think about it like this. If a game warden comes to your house then he already has reason to suspect you have something there illegally. Its not like he looks through some mysterious database of everyone that hunts and random picks people to go mess with.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 5:09 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
I was gonna try and help, I really was. But it was just overwhelming and I gave up. 
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:00 pm to CommunityCollegeFTW
Yeah it got ridiculous...fast..
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:03 pm to brass2mouth
I think hunters just don't like Agents because a lot of times they nit pick shite.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:06 pm to CajunFootball
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I think hunters just don't like Agents because a lot of times they nit pick shite.
This. Friend of mine just happened to be the guy holding the ducks while getting out of the boat. he gets zapped for all of them.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:16 pm to CajunFootball
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I think hunters just don't like Agents because a lot of times they nit pick shite.
Nit pick or enforce law? I mean, it is the law. They are there to enforce game laws. No matter how big or small. If you are going to have that position than the easiest way to do it is by the book. The fish is or isnt 12 inches, the deer is or isnt tagged, etc. Im not saying it doesnt suck but its the way it goes.
For the record, Im not saying I haven't broken game laws before. Maybe knowingly, maybe not. It happens and luckily I dint get caught. Ignorance of the law is not an excuse and if you knowingly break a law then your taking a risk.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:18 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
quote:Nit pick. No one is complaining about 11.5" fish.
Nit pick or enforce law?
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:28 pm to AlxTgr
I think you miss the point. Its not the agents that nit pick. They dont make the rules, just enforce them. If you feel its unfair to get a citation for something dont blame the agent. He didnt make that rule.
Posted on 12/20/11 at 6:32 pm to FelicianaTigerfan
unfortunately, some people have to be governed. like the idiot at Fort Polk who recently had killed 4 deer that day, a buck and 3 does. One bad apple and others spoil it for the rest.
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