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re: Ready For My Next Hand Gun - CC Choices
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:52 pm to GeauxTigers0107
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:52 pm to GeauxTigers0107
XD isn't a bad gun but that tiny arse grip safety scares the shite out of me.
Will you ever have to shoot somebody: probably not
If you did would that come into play: probably not
Is it another damn variable: you bet it is
You never know how good of a grip you are going to get coming out of a iwb holster and you never know if somebody will be all over you and the ability to move that gun in your hand. If either one of these scenarios come into play you are going to have to reposition the gun in your hand. I love 1911s and you don't hear about this with 1911 guys but you got to remember that grip safety is as wide as the grip and half way down the grip. The XDm is not. I carry the M&P9c fwiw because i shoot it better than the Block. its a tool not a conversation piece.
Will you ever have to shoot somebody: probably not
If you did would that come into play: probably not
Is it another damn variable: you bet it is
You never know how good of a grip you are going to get coming out of a iwb holster and you never know if somebody will be all over you and the ability to move that gun in your hand. If either one of these scenarios come into play you are going to have to reposition the gun in your hand. I love 1911s and you don't hear about this with 1911 guys but you got to remember that grip safety is as wide as the grip and half way down the grip. The XDm is not. I carry the M&P9c fwiw because i shoot it better than the Block. its a tool not a conversation piece.
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Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:53 pm to NimbleCat
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I have rarely heard anyone feel comfortable with a .45 1911 smaller than a commander as far as reliability goes
Again..are you talking accuracy here?
Haven't even begun to look at holsters but since I have developed love handles in my advanced age of 44, I don't know if a tuckable one will be an option. Leaning (heavily) to non-tuck.
What size barrel does you XDs have? I held one today with a 4" but am thinking concealment so might'v (wrongly) ruled it out.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:54 pm to GeauxTigers0107
I'm on my phone and can't link it but look up my channel on YouTube. My channel is bigapple0828.
Find my video "concealed carry methods" to see how I carry my Ruger sr9c and Kahr cm9.
Slimness is your friend when you're concealing. But I mention that in the video.
The 1911 will also be considerably heavier since it has a metal frame. Something else to consider.
Find my video "concealed carry methods" to see how I carry my Ruger sr9c and Kahr cm9.
Slimness is your friend when you're concealing. But I mention that in the video.
The 1911 will also be considerably heavier since it has a metal frame. Something else to consider.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 10:59 pm to LouisianaChessie
You're exactly right. You have no way of knowing which situation you'll end up in so there are several things to consider to minimize variables and maximize efficiency.
Another one on my list to look at. Thanks LC.
Bapple, I'll do that. I've watched a few of your vids already and enjoy them. Thanks.
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M&P9c
Another one on my list to look at. Thanks LC.
Bapple, I'll do that. I've watched a few of your vids already and enjoy them. Thanks.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 11:02 pm to bapple
Where do you plan to carry it an what type of holster will you employ? I carry a revolver on my ankle when I don't feel
like strapping a pistol on my hip as I have to do every day. If you will carry inside the pants I recommend a cross breed holster. I went through 5 different holsters before settling on a cross breed. When I drive, if I am not working, I wear an outside the pants holster on my belt. Quick access is key. If you go with an ankle holster you must practice with it to become proficient.
like strapping a pistol on my hip as I have to do every day. If you will carry inside the pants I recommend a cross breed holster. I went through 5 different holsters before settling on a cross breed. When I drive, if I am not working, I wear an outside the pants holster on my belt. Quick access is key. If you go with an ankle holster you must practice with it to become proficient.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 11:17 pm to DanTiger
One other thing I feel is important regarding concealed carry that i rarely see mentioned is the importance of FREQUENTLY cleaning your pistol. I wear an undershirt when carrying inside the wastband and you would be surprised how much lint gathers in a day or two behind the hammer, if you have an exposed hammer pistol, and works its way behind the slide. If you plan to carry concealed every day I recommend cleaning your weapon once per week at a minimum.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 11:30 pm to GeauxTigers0107
BR,
Those are both fine guns, although there're not many similarities between the other than the caliber. If you're set on 45 ACP for the caliber, I'd also suggest looking at the Kahr CW45 as well as Commander (4-4 1/4" barrel) sized 1911's. The three most active guns in my cc rotation are the Kahr CW45, an American Classic Commander 1911 and a Citadel Officer (3 1/2" barrel) 1911. The Kahr is a nice gun that frequently gets overlooked. It's light, accurate and a dream to carry. It has a true DOA type trigger and no external safety levers, both much different from the 1911. The Kimber you're looking at is fairly light for a 1911 since it has an alloy frame. I'd try and shoot a Commander sized 1911, as well. My Officer size 1911 is not noticeably easier to conceal than is the Commander.
As far as double stack mag vs. single stack mag guns, find out what YOU shoot best and handles best for you. Single stack mag guns are much easier for me to cc than double stack mag guns. My first cc gun was a Springfield XD 40. I didn't carry it long before realizing how much more I like the thinner single stacks.
Don't get the 1911 unless you're willing to adequately learn it's manual of arms.
As far as holsters, I use inside the waistband holsters to cc all my 45's. The hybrid holsters like Cross Breed are well liked by many, but I like leather. Get a tuckable holster for added versatility. I can personally recommend these leather holster makers:
Side Guard "Tuck Clip" LINK
"Lone Wolf-T" LINK
R. Grizzle "Southern Sidekick"LINK
Get a nice belt designed for holster carry. Wilderness Instructor is hard to beat for casual belts.
Those are both fine guns, although there're not many similarities between the other than the caliber. If you're set on 45 ACP for the caliber, I'd also suggest looking at the Kahr CW45 as well as Commander (4-4 1/4" barrel) sized 1911's. The three most active guns in my cc rotation are the Kahr CW45, an American Classic Commander 1911 and a Citadel Officer (3 1/2" barrel) 1911. The Kahr is a nice gun that frequently gets overlooked. It's light, accurate and a dream to carry. It has a true DOA type trigger and no external safety levers, both much different from the 1911. The Kimber you're looking at is fairly light for a 1911 since it has an alloy frame. I'd try and shoot a Commander sized 1911, as well. My Officer size 1911 is not noticeably easier to conceal than is the Commander.
As far as double stack mag vs. single stack mag guns, find out what YOU shoot best and handles best for you. Single stack mag guns are much easier for me to cc than double stack mag guns. My first cc gun was a Springfield XD 40. I didn't carry it long before realizing how much more I like the thinner single stacks.
Don't get the 1911 unless you're willing to adequately learn it's manual of arms.
As far as holsters, I use inside the waistband holsters to cc all my 45's. The hybrid holsters like Cross Breed are well liked by many, but I like leather. Get a tuckable holster for added versatility. I can personally recommend these leather holster makers:
Side Guard "Tuck Clip" LINK
"Lone Wolf-T" LINK
R. Grizzle "Southern Sidekick"LINK
Get a nice belt designed for holster carry. Wilderness Instructor is hard to beat for casual belts.
Posted on 5/14/13 at 11:34 pm to DanTiger
Great points Dan.
I'm leaning towards carrying outside the waistband. I wear big shirts because, well, I'm big...and they would cover the gun. But after watching Bapple's video on concealed carry, I'm curious about IWB holsters now.
Obviously, I need to determine how I'm going to carry before purchasing a gun. That's why I posted this thread because several things were brought to my attention that I never would've thought about.
And Bapple, ever considered a whiteboard?
I'm leaning towards carrying outside the waistband. I wear big shirts because, well, I'm big...and they would cover the gun. But after watching Bapple's video on concealed carry, I'm curious about IWB holsters now.
Obviously, I need to determine how I'm going to carry before purchasing a gun. That's why I posted this thread because several things were brought to my attention that I never would've thought about.
And Bapple, ever considered a whiteboard?
Posted on 5/15/13 at 12:07 am to TigerOnThe Hill
TOTH -
I'm not dead set on .45 but it's my preference. Took a look at the Kahr CW. Sleek pistol. Nothing to hang up on, though I won't be pocket carrying. Have to go back and look, don't remember if it was DAO??
Dad and I bought a Citadel but I haven't seen it yet. He lives in NC but said he loves the gun, though it's 5" barrel - too big for CC.
I think I prefer the Side Guard holster best out of the ones you posted. Just need to go and try them on.
Thanks for all the advice.
I'm not dead set on .45 but it's my preference. Took a look at the Kahr CW. Sleek pistol. Nothing to hang up on, though I won't be pocket carrying. Have to go back and look, don't remember if it was DAO??
Dad and I bought a Citadel but I haven't seen it yet. He lives in NC but said he loves the gun, though it's 5" barrel - too big for CC.
I think I prefer the Side Guard holster best out of the ones you posted. Just need to go and try them on.
Thanks for all the advice.
This post was edited on 5/15/13 at 12:09 am
Posted on 5/15/13 at 1:43 am to GeauxTigers0107
Sig Scorpion 1911. I'm a huge 1911 guy and I also would not buy a 3" 1911. Accuracy is part of it but they are also known to jam due to the angle of the feed ramp. Check out the smaller holster guys like Nick Matthews out of Texas. A lot of times these holsters are more comfortable and just as durable if not more durable than your big names.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 2:02 am to ruger35
I'm in the process of trying to decide what type of 9mm I want I have eliminated a glock i just don't like the way the feel in my hand and have pretty much decided on an XD or XDm or S&WMP.
now the hard part which one. If I had the money I'd just buy all 3 but got to eliminate 2 of them. It will probably be my main CC but about 80% of the time it will be in mine or my wifes vehicle. My current vehicle weapon is a taurus .357Mag snubnose.
now the hard part which one. If I had the money I'd just buy all 3 but got to eliminate 2 of them. It will probably be my main CC but about 80% of the time it will be in mine or my wifes vehicle. My current vehicle weapon is a taurus .357Mag snubnose.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 3:50 am to ruger35
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Accuracy is part of it but they are also known to jam due to the angle of the feed ramp
This and you will wear the recoil spring out in 2 trips to the range. Granted a 3" 1911 isn't a range gun, but still 400 rounds and you need a new recoil spring
ETA, I've seen a lot of feed issues with the Kahr 380s with hollow point ammo because if that steep feed angle. FMJs or critical defense rounds only
This post was edited on 5/15/13 at 3:52 am
Posted on 5/15/13 at 7:05 am to GeauxTigers0107
P2000sk
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:02 am to Gaston
my cc piece is the sig p938. i never know its on me! absolutely love if!
Posted on 5/15/13 at 8:40 am to GeauxTigers0107
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I'm leaning towards carrying outside the waistband. I wear big shirts because, well, I'm big...and they would cover the gun. But after watching Bapple's video on concealed carry, I'm curious about IWB holsters now.
I would strongly suggest an IWB holster as I have yet to find an outside the pants holster that does not reveal itself. Most civilians will not notice that you are wearing a pistol outside of your pants but if one does they will probably call the police also most law enforcement officers will readily notice that you are wearing a weapon. You will likely go through several holsters until you find one that you are satisfied with. Remember leather takes a few weeks to break in so one that is not comfortable at first could become comfortable after a few weeks of every day wear.
Posted on 5/15/13 at 11:19 am to GeauxTigers0107
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Took a look at the Kahr CW. Sleek pistol. Nothing to hang up on, though I won't be pocket carrying. Have to go back and look, don't remember if it was DAO??
Yeah, the CW45 is really too big for comfortable pocket carry, except MAYBE certain cargo pants. The Kahr pistols have a patented trigger that provides a DAO pull, similar to shooting a DA revolver. Yes, it's long (that's also why there's no external safety lever), but it's smooth. The trigger pull's not that hard to master.
My Sideguard has worked fine w/ my CW45, but it took a while to find the proper spot to carry it on my body (about 3:30). W/ a heavier gun, I think you'd prolly be best served using a holster w/ 2 clips.
OWB carry is fine, but it does take more of a committment to your clothing than does IWB. If you settle on OWB, that would make a double stack mag gun advantageous over a single stack; w/ IWB, the single stack is my preferred choice.
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