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re: New Deer rifle
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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I like to bag on it as much as the next guy, but it's a damn fine hunting caliber. It just happens to suffer from a lot of crappy ammo available on shelves that people buy because it looks cool.
Ahhh, the 6.5 ManBun. Yes, part of the problem is ammo choice but I’m convinced that another problem is that the cartridge was absurdly over-hyped when released; there’s a perception - and I’m not saying it’s unjustified - that it is the rifle of choice for people who learned most of what they know about hunting on YouTube and their toughest decision was whether to buy a bolt gun rather than an AR. There’s this perception that it is not a round serious hunters would choose.
The 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing more than a modern redesign of the 6.5x55 which has a long history of success on deer sized and larger game BUT is more likely to be found in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing. For the sake of full disclosure I also own a a rifle in 6.5x55 - it’s my favorite rifle and the only time it let me down I was shooting Hornady SSTs, which just proves that bullet selection counts. But load it it with 140 grain cup and core or bonded bullet and it will do it’s job every time as longer as you do yours. And if that’s true for the 6.5x55, it also has to be true for the 6.5 Creedmoor - if you push the 140 gr. .264 bullet to the same velocity doesn’t care about which round it came from.
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Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:25 am to LSUDUCKMAN67
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Hornady Eldx 143gr It’s all personal preference I just don’t care a 6.5 creedmore
Those bullets hunting in wooded areas I do not care for it either. Take the same gun and load it with bonded bullets or mono metal and it’s GTG.
I’m guessing they shot the deer with the eldx 85-180yd out in tight woods couldn’t find any blood and called for a dog, dog found deer within 60-110yd and no blood at all. Insides of deer looked like mush and the deer died in less than 12 seconds.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 7:40 am to Ol boy
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Those bullets hunting in wooded areas I do not care for it either. Take the same gun and load it with bonded bullets or mono metal and it’s GTG.
I’m guessing they shot the deer with the eldx 85-180yd out in tight woods couldn’t find any blood and called for a dog, dog found deer within 60-110yd and no blood at all. Insides of deer looked like mush and the deer died in less than 12 seconds.
Tight woods had some blood but not a lot at all. Two of the deer ran close to 500yds and the other was like 200yds.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:39 am to Red Stick Rambler
155 and 160gr round nose loads have been the magic sauce in Europe for over a century now. I dont think I've ever heard of either one loaded for the cripplemoor which is a shame. I loved the 155gr lapua mega from the 6.5x55
Posted on 1/2/24 at 8:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
You sombiches could make breathing into a difficult decision. 
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:00 am to Red Stick Rambler
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The 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing more than a modern redesign of the 6.5x55
Not even close. One is a short action caliber and the other is a long action. Like saying a 308 is a redesign of the 30-06.
Parent case for the creed is 30TC.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:27 am to kengel2
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Not even close
Cmon dude, that's ridiculous. The brass is shaped a little bit different. Everything else is the same.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:30 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Cmon dude, that's ridiculous. The brass is shaped a little bit different. Everything else is the same.
Also , very similar to the 260 Remington.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 9:59 am to CajunSportsman
270Win is just about as much recoil as the 30-06. Not enough difference in my opinion.
A 6.5 Creedmoor is about all you could ever need on a 200 lb animal within 300 yards. If you are shooting within 200 yards, going down to a 243Win or 6.5 Grendel is all you need.
A semi auto is going to further reduce recoil so consider one of them, like an AR10 or AR15 or BAR or similar.
Another option is to hand load your 30-06 cases with 125gr spitzers and H4895… you can go as low as 32.2gr of powder. Should be able to load it to less than a full power 6.5 Creedmoor even with 40-ish grains of H4895.
A 6.5 Creedmoor is about all you could ever need on a 200 lb animal within 300 yards. If you are shooting within 200 yards, going down to a 243Win or 6.5 Grendel is all you need.
A semi auto is going to further reduce recoil so consider one of them, like an AR10 or AR15 or BAR or similar.
Another option is to hand load your 30-06 cases with 125gr spitzers and H4895… you can go as low as 32.2gr of powder. Should be able to load it to less than a full power 6.5 Creedmoor even with 40-ish grains of H4895.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 10:03 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:11 am to pdubya76
I think the only real difference there is the twist rate on the .260 limits you to lightweight bullets if I remember correctly. The 6.5's are twisted fast and will shoot 160gr bullets fine.
Additionally, the 6.5x55 is throated long and can handle heavy bullets seated way out there. Also not restricted to short action COAL. If not for the krag limiting the factory ammo horsepower in the US, the swede would be the better choice on paper than anything else.
And it's one of the oldest centerfire cartridges ever
Additionally, the 6.5x55 is throated long and can handle heavy bullets seated way out there. Also not restricted to short action COAL. If not for the krag limiting the factory ammo horsepower in the US, the swede would be the better choice on paper than anything else.
And it's one of the oldest centerfire cartridges ever
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:38 am to CajunSportsman
Seems like the 6.8 western didn't take off like ppl have hoped for?
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:47 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
If one reloads and your gun will do it, the 6.5cm can be loaded long and get very close to factory 6.5 prc speed.
In one of mine (Big Horn Origin with accurate-mag magazines), I can load to 2.95" COAL and get speeds up to 2900fps with 140gr Berger.
Getting flatten primers at that (SRP) with that load (42gr H4350) but nothing more serious.
For hunting ammo, I load 140 gr Nosler partition with 40gr H4350 and get 2680fps in my son's gun and 2650 fps in mine.
ELDx bullets are not good under 200yds. Inside that, they are nothing more than ballistic tips. Small likelihood of an exit and no blood trail.
In one of mine (Big Horn Origin with accurate-mag magazines), I can load to 2.95" COAL and get speeds up to 2900fps with 140gr Berger.
Getting flatten primers at that (SRP) with that load (42gr H4350) but nothing more serious.
For hunting ammo, I load 140 gr Nosler partition with 40gr H4350 and get 2680fps in my son's gun and 2650 fps in mine.
ELDx bullets are not good under 200yds. Inside that, they are nothing more than ballistic tips. Small likelihood of an exit and no blood trail.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:49 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
I looked at it years ago when I was buying a rifle for my wife to hunt . I ended up with a 308 but still enjoy the older calibers.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:49 am to LSUDUCKMAN67
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Seems like the 6.8 western didn't take off like ppl have hoped for?
nope. other new cartridges did the same with better marketing.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:52 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Cmon dude, that's ridiculous. The brass is shaped a little bit different. Everything else is the same.
But it isn't close. Find a short action swede?
Brass is shaped a little different? Aren't they all shaped a little different? Requiring a different action length is a pretty big difference.
260 and 6.5x47 would have been way more comparable.
This post was edited on 1/2/24 at 10:54 am
Posted on 1/2/24 at 10:57 am to kengel2
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Aren't they all shaped a little different.
Yes, and there's giant swaths of SAAMI cartridges that are entirely redundant.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 11:02 am to DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Yes, and there's giant swaths of SAAMI cartridges that are entirely redundant.
Yup, just simply trying to correct some misinformation.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 11:06 am to bbvdd
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ELDx bullets are not good under 200yds. Inside that, they are nothing more than ballistic tips
Even worse. They are thin jacketed ballistic tips. They ain't no accubond or TTSX.
The Creedmoor is a victim of its own success. It's a great long range caliber so we gotta use long range bullets right?? As far as I know there aren't any 155gr+ RN or semi Spitzer factory offerings for it. Those are excellent out of the swede out to 300 yards and your average coonass has no business shooting at game that far anyway.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 12:14 pm to Red Stick Rambler
The 6.5 Creedmoor is nothing more than a modern redesign of the 6.5x55 which has a long history of success on deer sized and larger game BUT is more likely to be found in the hands of someone who knows what they’re doing. For the sake of full disclosure I also own a a rifle in
Everything you said comparing the 6.5 CM to the 6.5 Swede could also be extended to include the 260 Remington. From a ballistic standpoint, the three guns are basically the same. The minor differences that exist are from the different rounds being loaded to different pressure levels. A 140 gr bullet at 2700 fps will behave the same whether it's shot from the 260 Rem, 6.5 Swede or 6.5 Creedmore. The key is proper bullet selection and placement.
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6.5x55 - it’s my favorite rifle and the only time it let me down I was shooting Hornady SSTs, which just proves that bullet selection counts. But load it it with 140 grain cup and core or bonded bullet and it will do it’s job every time as longer as you do yours. And if that’s true for the 6.5x55, it also has to be true for the 6.5 Creedmoor - if you push the 140 gr. .264 bullet to the same velocity doesn’t care about which round it came from.
Everything you said comparing the 6.5 CM to the 6.5 Swede could also be extended to include the 260 Remington. From a ballistic standpoint, the three guns are basically the same. The minor differences that exist are from the different rounds being loaded to different pressure levels. A 140 gr bullet at 2700 fps will behave the same whether it's shot from the 260 Rem, 6.5 Swede or 6.5 Creedmore. The key is proper bullet selection and placement.
Posted on 1/2/24 at 12:17 pm to TigerOnThe Hill
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The key is proper bullet selection and placement.
That pretty much says it all.
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