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minimum lure weight for an ambassadeur
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:34 pm
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:34 pm
I cant throw anything under 3/8 with these things. Is there anyone with a tip or is this just the way they are?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:39 pm to hardhead
Do you even tension knob baw?
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:45 pm to hardhead
8 lb test line or thin braid. Heavier line is harder to cast with lighter lures.
All that said, don't expect to cast 1/8 oz lures bast 15 feet without the world's biggest ball of bullshite
All that said, don't expect to cast 1/8 oz lures bast 15 feet without the world's biggest ball of bullshite
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:46 pm to hardhead
what size ambassadeur? kinda matters.
Posted on 3/21/17 at 7:54 pm to hardhead
You may be doing all you can but the main thing is to minimize resistance as much as possible.
After that, it could be getting into 'get what you pay for' territory. I know I throw weightless flukes, senko, trick worms, etc. a looong ways with quality rod/reel setups.
After that, it could be getting into 'get what you pay for' territory. I know I throw weightless flukes, senko, trick worms, etc. a looong ways with quality rod/reel setups.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:08 am to CFDoc
If you don't throw into the wind, put the wind at your back, and adjust your brake you should be able to throw 1/4 oz without issue.
On setting the brake you should be able to hit the slack button and the lure barley starts to fall towards the ground without any help from you is about right. Of course if you throw it and you get a birds nest your brake is too loose tighten it up. I still have a bunch of 5500's and they can throw a 1/4 oz bait with no problem, it just takes practice you will get it. Also I use 15 lb big game mono on mine not saying that's what you need to use just that is what I use and it works for me.
On setting the brake you should be able to hit the slack button and the lure barley starts to fall towards the ground without any help from you is about right. Of course if you throw it and you get a birds nest your brake is too loose tighten it up. I still have a bunch of 5500's and they can throw a 1/4 oz bait with no problem, it just takes practice you will get it. Also I use 15 lb big game mono on mine not saying that's what you need to use just that is what I use and it works for me.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 6:17 am to hardhead
Practice, practice, practice. I used to put a bucket in the back yard and just cast into it with different weight jig heads (cut the hook and put a small plastic on so I could see the cast). It's an addictive game. I'd do it from different places to get used to having to cast different ways (backhand, overhead, up against the fence, etc.). With the light lures, it was all about that tension knob and knowing where your weight is through the back cast. It's got to be smooth.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:10 am to hardhead
I cringe to say this, but you can cast light lures with an ambassadeur by just muscling it. It's not going to be the wrist action you usually use, it's going to be more of an arm action. I used to fish 1/16oz beetle spins like that with an old C3 on a golf course. It's not ideal but you can get the job done if you're in a pinch.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:17 am to gorillacoco
Ambassadeur just isn't the best for that application.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:37 am to redfishfan
Just getting back into fishing and using bait casters. I have an Ambassadeur C4 4600 spooled with 12/50 Power Pro braid that definitely punishes me if I make a bad cast.
What are the preferred setup and applications for that reel?
What are the preferred setup and applications for that reel?
Posted on 3/22/17 at 7:38 am to Skeet Mc
I use ambassaduers for saltwater fishing. When bass fishing I don't use ambassadeurs. Lews makes a damn good reel that's cheap and easy to cast.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 8:19 am to Skeet Mc
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Ambassadeur C4 4600 spooled with 12/50 Power Pro braid
I would go with 30 or 40lb Suffix 832 or 12lb trilene xl or big game. 50lb PP is pretty stiff to throw, especially before it breaks in.
As far as throwing lighter lures, 1/4oz should be absolutely no issue and 1/8oz shouldn't be a problem with the right rod unless it's windy. Throwing anything smaller than that and you'll need a limber rod and you'll have to whip the lure out there.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:40 am to redfishfan
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Ambassadeur just isn't the best for that application.
Oh I agree with this.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 9:55 am to hardhead
When I first started bass fishing the 5500 C3 was my reel of choice. I could throw wacky finesse worms with it.
10 lb test and light wind conditions help along with practice.
10 lb test and light wind conditions help along with practice.
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:10 am to gorillacoco
It is people don't know how to use the old Abu Garcia 4500 reels. Mostly the younger generation that really doesnt know what a real reel can do. I got a few of the old Abu Garcia 1000 from the 80's that I can put the new plastic cheaply made Korean and Chinese made reels including Lews under the bus.
4500C you can take the spool bearings out.
Clean out the bearings in lighter fluid, let the bearings dry, and put back in. If you change the bearings to ceramic bearings you will have to adjust your spool tension.
You can also use different weight brakes which came with the reels back in the day. Now if you want to have fun put in ceramic bearings and it is a casting machine. If you get a divet in your spool tension shim just turn it over. I have a few that still cast like a dream from the 1980's. Ps: want to get real crazy and throw light stuff mike's reel parts sells a machined cog wheel. Man you can throw some small stuff with a lot of control for $20 investment. Sometimes I buy used 4500C reels that are trashed for $15 and rebuild them for fun and resell them. My total investment is around $60 with parts (cog wheel, ceramic bearings, new drags, misc damaged parts, new composite pawl, etc. These reels can blow the doors off anything that is out there under the $259 price point if done right for less than $100.
Abu Garcia 1000 series is one of the original free spools. They made these to compete with the real Lews reels originally made by shimano, then ryobi, browning, and finally quantum/zebco. If you clean them up, put new spool brakes on them, and ceramic bearings they can throw some extremely light lures even better than the new Lews Chinese or Korean reels. They will also out last a Lews reel. These reels were made in the 1980's and I still see them around and I have red one, silver one, black one in primo shape. Parts are getting hard to find. At the end of the day they work and I got mine in primo shape.
My prized reels for my Japanese Daiwa reels.
These reels are made for finesses fishing. These reels are in a different league and the price tag reflects that.
4500C you can take the spool bearings out.
Clean out the bearings in lighter fluid, let the bearings dry, and put back in. If you change the bearings to ceramic bearings you will have to adjust your spool tension.
You can also use different weight brakes which came with the reels back in the day. Now if you want to have fun put in ceramic bearings and it is a casting machine. If you get a divet in your spool tension shim just turn it over. I have a few that still cast like a dream from the 1980's. Ps: want to get real crazy and throw light stuff mike's reel parts sells a machined cog wheel. Man you can throw some small stuff with a lot of control for $20 investment. Sometimes I buy used 4500C reels that are trashed for $15 and rebuild them for fun and resell them. My total investment is around $60 with parts (cog wheel, ceramic bearings, new drags, misc damaged parts, new composite pawl, etc. These reels can blow the doors off anything that is out there under the $259 price point if done right for less than $100.
Abu Garcia 1000 series is one of the original free spools. They made these to compete with the real Lews reels originally made by shimano, then ryobi, browning, and finally quantum/zebco. If you clean them up, put new spool brakes on them, and ceramic bearings they can throw some extremely light lures even better than the new Lews Chinese or Korean reels. They will also out last a Lews reel. These reels were made in the 1980's and I still see them around and I have red one, silver one, black one in primo shape. Parts are getting hard to find. At the end of the day they work and I got mine in primo shape.
My prized reels for my Japanese Daiwa reels.
These reels are made for finesses fishing. These reels are in a different league and the price tag reflects that.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:15 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 10:26 am to Skeet Mc
I use 12lb Big Game on 4600's with no issues, even with redfish in the marsh, just re-tie after every fish. The advantage the Jap reels have on the Amb. is that the Amb. level wind is engaged on cast and retrieve, where the Shimano I have the LW is dis-engaged on cast. I think that makes a difference in distance and throwing light stuff. But I can effectively throw a un-weighted worm with my Amb's, not that I do that often.
This post was edited on 3/22/17 at 10:29 am
Posted on 3/22/17 at 1:45 pm to hardhead
You didn't mention the rod.
Length and action (fast or very fast -- as opposed to an old fashion "worm rod")make a difference.
Length and action (fast or very fast -- as opposed to an old fashion "worm rod")make a difference.
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