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Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:22 pm to Barf
What is your opinion on sediment diversions off the MS river?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:34 pm to MrBobDobalina
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What is your opinion on sediment diversions off the MS river?
No clue man, I really don't know enough about the diversion projects to have any kind of informed opinion. My buddy says we need more and that's his area of expertise so I'm inclined to believe him. We can look to the Atchafalaya and the growth in Wax Lake to give us an idea of what diversions could achieve.
What I do know is it pisses off the oystermen and as a general rule I don't mess around with Croatians on account of their giant hands and ability to strangle me to death.
In a perfect world, I would knock down the levees south of the sea wall on hwy 23 and be done with it.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 12:38 pm to Barf
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What I do know is it pisses off the oystermen and as a general rule I don't mess around with Croatians on account of their giant hands and ability to strangle me to death.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:06 pm to MrBobDobalina
Those that are in the fence of if we need diversions should do the following.
Go the Delta Marina in Empire and launch your boat. Headed west and run all around that area until lunch. Head back to the marina, lock through and into the Mississippi river. Cross the river and run around the marsh on that side.
Head back after taking mental notes at what the difference was in the two sides of the river looked like. One has influence from the river, one does not and it shows. It's very drastic.
Go the Delta Marina in Empire and launch your boat. Headed west and run all around that area until lunch. Head back to the marina, lock through and into the Mississippi river. Cross the river and run around the marsh on that side.
Head back after taking mental notes at what the difference was in the two sides of the river looked like. One has influence from the river, one does not and it shows. It's very drastic.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:31 pm to Barf
Fair enough.
The whole situation with oyster fisherman hating sediment diversions is somewhat similar to the gating topic. Bad press and twisting of facts have led to the negative connotation diversions oftentimes receive.
Oyster fisherman are currently using areas that were historically freshwater for their harvest (due to the drastic change of the coastal landscape over the past 60-75 years obv.) and feel as though diversions will ruin their fishing grounds. In actuality some of the places they now fish were land or totally fresh water as little as 20-30 years ago. The reality is that while oyster fisherman will have to travel farther than they currently do to gather oysters, without some serious changes to they way our shoreline is being managed, oyster farmers will have no where left to go for their catch. However, I must divulge here that I am totally unfamiliar with how oyster farmers acquire the rights to fish the land they use for harvest, this will most likely be where the majority of the conflict stems from. I'd love for someone informed on here to shed a little light on that area.
I am pro-sediment diversions, (not to be confused with freshwater diversions, which do have their own, separate place i.e. Caernarvon, Davis pond, Maurepas etc.) I think sediment diversions are truly the only chance we have to save the coast, because they work passively to restore the natural balance we lost when levees were built in the early half on the 20th century. We have one of the most powerful land building resources in the entire world in the Mississippi river and to not harness it, in my own mind is lunacy. I'd like to start a topic on this issue sometime next week to get opinions from other angles though. I'm only looking thru my own lenses
The whole situation with oyster fisherman hating sediment diversions is somewhat similar to the gating topic. Bad press and twisting of facts have led to the negative connotation diversions oftentimes receive.
Oyster fisherman are currently using areas that were historically freshwater for their harvest (due to the drastic change of the coastal landscape over the past 60-75 years obv.) and feel as though diversions will ruin their fishing grounds. In actuality some of the places they now fish were land or totally fresh water as little as 20-30 years ago. The reality is that while oyster fisherman will have to travel farther than they currently do to gather oysters, without some serious changes to they way our shoreline is being managed, oyster farmers will have no where left to go for their catch. However, I must divulge here that I am totally unfamiliar with how oyster farmers acquire the rights to fish the land they use for harvest, this will most likely be where the majority of the conflict stems from. I'd love for someone informed on here to shed a little light on that area.
I am pro-sediment diversions, (not to be confused with freshwater diversions, which do have their own, separate place i.e. Caernarvon, Davis pond, Maurepas etc.) I think sediment diversions are truly the only chance we have to save the coast, because they work passively to restore the natural balance we lost when levees were built in the early half on the 20th century. We have one of the most powerful land building resources in the entire world in the Mississippi river and to not harness it, in my own mind is lunacy. I'd like to start a topic on this issue sometime next week to get opinions from other angles though. I'm only looking thru my own lenses
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:33 pm to Dock Holiday
Dock you were one of the voices I was hoping would show up in here.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:44 pm to MrBobDobalina
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However, I must divulge here that I am totally unfamiliar with how oyster farmers acquire the rights to fish the land they use for harvest, this will most likely be where the majority of the conflict stems from. I'd love for someone informed on here to shed a little light on that area.
They lease water bottoms from LDWF
Posted on 2/19/16 at 1:53 pm to swampdawg
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They lease water bottoms from LDWF
They can lease from anyone willing to give them a lease.
They can also harvest undersized oysters from public land to seed their private leases. Wrap your head around that shite.
This post was edited on 2/19/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:02 pm to MrBobDobalina
Thanks, but won't get into it more because
A) I'm traveling and about to get back on the road.
B) should have its own thread
A) I'm traveling and about to get back on the road.
B) should have its own thread
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:07 pm to Barf
Barf, you wouldn't happen to be looking for a new skiff by chance?
Posted on 2/19/16 at 2:17 pm to 34venture
Not unless it's an original HB glades skiff. I might know someone if you want to email me to details Louisianamarsh@gmail.com
Posted on 2/19/16 at 3:20 pm to swampdawg
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I was out there this year and it appears they aren't maintaining their shoreline according to the law.
What does this mean? I am not sure what the law says about maintaining shorelines (lakes, bayous, or canals?).
Still wondering about this shoreline maintenance deal
Posted on 2/19/16 at 3:51 pm to swampdawg
Think you fell for ST's bullshite.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:04 pm to Whatafrekinchessiebr
Go frick yourself, I can't play on computer all day like you democrat bass holes.. All i know is LL&E and Apache are required to maintain their shorelines in terrebonne parish where my lease is located. Not sure if it's tied in with the CWPRA projects or what. But I do know they bring a dragline thru and maintain the shorelines annually.
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:38 pm to Capt ST
It's an assumption on your part that it's a regulation that everyone in the state has to follow. Bad assumption
Posted on 2/19/16 at 9:40 pm to Capt ST
Cwppra is a separate program. It would only be by chance Cwppra paid for any maintenance of their land. I've never heard of such a requirement, but if there was one, every coastal landowner in the state would be in violation.
Posted on 2/20/16 at 3:13 am to man in the stadium
They are paying for the work not the Feds. Just not sure why they do it in this area vs the rest of the state: I'll find out why they are maintaining the shorelines in that area. I do know it was a sticking point in the long term lease negotiations. It might be done to maintain water levels on apaches Corp lease. And to keep the riff raff obviously. But that area is where they are forcing the freshwater into upper terrebonne marshes.
I actually hope they create some additional entry points for you criminals. All these restoration projects have ruined the duck hunting.
I actually hope they create some additional entry points for you criminals. All these restoration projects have ruined the duck hunting.
Posted on 2/20/16 at 7:53 am to Capt ST
It's likely part of the stipulations in the CUP, Costal Use Permit, for that parcel of property. LLE and Apache own a gazillion acres and I'm very certain said activity is not be done on most they own.
It also could be a mitigation bank they have to maintain to offset work in wetlands areas they have impacted in other parts of the state, thus they have to pay for life.
It also could be a mitigation bank they have to maintain to offset work in wetlands areas they have impacted in other parts of the state, thus they have to pay for life.
Posted on 2/20/16 at 8:04 am to Barf
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This is just the tip of the ice berg.
The state has projects that they approved that the public has benefited from that they are going to have to answer for with private land owners. Catahoula lake being a big one of those that will have landowners lining up for compensation. The issue is going to start an avalanche of litigation.
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