re: Bug Out Boys

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Are your neighbors family?

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Yes.

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But I am surprised at the lack of honest prep discussion.

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This is what I said:

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Take basic precautions and pray to God that such a scenario never happens.

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A few grand well spent could mean all the difference.

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I few grand might last you a few months.

I just get tired of the fantasy of people thinking they could hold out on their own against the anarchy. Make preparations for a hurricane, of course. Keep plenty of basic supplies on hand. Preparing to mow down hordes of the starving is impossible. Even subsistence farmers everywhere depended on some form of protection other than themselves. It might be far away and get their too late but at least the semblance of order was there. In the absence of government, humanity will have to resort to a feudal system to survive.

I'm not saying to just give up but you can't deny the basic reality that everyone's hold out has a road leading to it.

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I know my neighbors and we would band together

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Your neighbors would kill you and your family in the blink of an eye if it were necessary for their own survival. Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth. In a true SHTF scenario, everyone is going to get punched in the mouth and even the most well thought out plans will deteriorate quickly.

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People talk about wildlife in the woods, and living off the land, but if even 100k people leave BR and head to the basin, their won't be a fish, deer, bear, squirrel left in about a month. So really, why the plans to bug out?

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Sounds to me like there's 100,000 new things to hunt

I think the key would be figuring out how many acres could support a certain number of people and getting landowners near you and their families to combine resources and land. Then get close like minded friends who don’t have land but have skills to move onto your land. Everyone has a job. Say you have 5 landowners plus family that equals 20 people. Combined land which all butts up to each other of 4,000 acres. You invite 30 more people to move onto land. You set up gardens, chicken coops, cattle. You have hunting/fishing. You have people who patrol property lines and secure access points, you have people who go on supply runs, you have people who farm/garden, you have someone who has a medical background, you have people who hunt/fish. You implement rules and food rationing when needed.

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I think the time line to collapse is pretty rushed but it give a pretty vivid and accurate imo depiction of conditions following the breakdown of services and society itself.

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I think you’d have 3-7 days until collapse. It depends on the event. Nuclear attack people panic instantly, EMP not as much. EMP you lose power and electronics, most people wouldn’t know what happened and would sit around a few days until food supply runs out. Most people have a weeks worth of food. I think most would be in denial and not do anything hoping it “gets fixed” and reality won’t hit until they are out of food. Your typical inner cities of course start looting early on but the suburbs and rural areas would remain peaceful about a week imo.

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But I am surprised at the lack of honest prep discussion. I have spent thousands on gathering things over the years to make life at least possible in this type situation

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The best prep you can do is buy enough rations that would last a few years and guns to defend it. Rations buy you time to learn how to grow/hunt your own food efficiently without starving in the process. I think having some type of solar setup with backup battery storage is smart too, at least something good enough to power a freezer. It wouldn’t last forever because stuff breaks but may buy you time to learn to preserve meat. Prepare yourself where you understand you won’t initially know how to do everything at first, make it where you know you can survive a couple years while learning the skills for long term survival

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I think having some type of solar setup with backup battery storage is smart too, at least something good enough to power a freezer.

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I have an ICECO 48qt electric icechest. I can run it with my Bluetti EB 70 battery generator along with a 180 watt solar panel. It’s not a walk in freezer but it’s better than nothing. Looking at upgrading to a 2500 Kw system

When things shut down peak Covid and shelves started getting empty, we got a just a small glimpse of how nuts a huge portion of the population gets quickly. You wouldn’t want to be in a city or town. I don’t think it would take more than 4-5 days for nightly gun shots to start and once they start it would snowball extremely quickly to absolute chaos. Towns would have to quickly mobilize together and have large organized neighborhood patrols. Any town that didn’t would be absolute chaos with huge portions of the population murderer weekly. It would get very desperate.

The only safe places would be huge swaths of land that few people knew about. All these people that live on 200 acres in nice houses you can see from a road would be murdered with a quickness by large groups. Word travels, vendors and contractors live locally. Guys like gates and bezos with bug out places would be found and killed by the contractors that knew where they lived. They could only have so many employees protect them and make it there.

What are you going to do staying home? Towns would be chaos. People would turn very evil very quickly when they get hungry and desperate.