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Bug Out Boys
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:21 am
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:21 am
General post, just to generate some dialog. Every few weeks someone posts something like the plate carrier discussion or some civil unrest post always leads to a few guys talking about "bugging out" to their camp or to the basin or the woods behind their house/neighborhood in the event something would happen.
What I don't understand is, do you guys not think that every single person is going to have the EXACT same idea? You will probably end up dealing with more BS than if you just stayed home and waited it out. People talk about wildlife in the woods, and living off the land, but if even 100k people leave BR and head to the basin, their won't be a fish, deer, bear, squirrel left in about a month. So really, why the plans to bug out?
What I don't understand is, do you guys not think that every single person is going to have the EXACT same idea? You will probably end up dealing with more BS than if you just stayed home and waited it out. People talk about wildlife in the woods, and living off the land, but if even 100k people leave BR and head to the basin, their won't be a fish, deer, bear, squirrel left in about a month. So really, why the plans to bug out?
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Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:28 am to Pauvetibete
I’ll be shot dead raiding someone’s chicken coop.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:29 am to Pauvetibete
I am staying home. unless you're leaving from a small or rural location going anywhere is not going to be an option.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:40 am to Pauvetibete
I still like my plan of hitting a river in a depopulated area via kayak and setting up camp in the wilderness. But I gotta get there from south louisiana
Posted on 2/5/24 at 11:51 am to Pauvetibete
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People talk about wildlife in the woods, and living off the land, but if even 100k people leave BR and head to the basin, their won't be a fish, deer, bear, squirrel left in about a month.
If you're seriously concerned with needing to 'bug out', you've got to have methods to farm you food, as well as protect it. Hunting and fishing have to be a supplement. Everyone thinks they are the great white hunter, but you're right that the pressure on animals would go through the roof in this scenario. AND no one is going to be respecting your property rights anymore either so they will be killing deer on your land (which is sometimes an issue even now).
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So really, why the plans to bug out?
Even if something bad but not necessarily apocalyptic happens, like significant chunks of the power grid go out for example, you're going to be glad you have somewhere to go and resources set up. Your quality of life for months or even years is going to be a LOT better if you prepare for it.
I have to live near a major city for work. I don't want to be around here when regular people become criminals and gangs start venturing outside of certain areas in cities in order to survive.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:02 pm to Pauvetibete
You’re missing the point. The point is, we like to buy new guns and toys and SHTF gives us an excuse.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:27 pm to Nado Jenkins83
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I still like my plan of hitting a river in a depopulated area via kayak and setting up camp in the wilderness. But I gotta get there from south louisiana
Gather some supplies, steal a boat and hang out as long as possible in the middle of a lake or the gulf.
Catch fish, have a way to purify water. Let everyone else kill each other.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:34 pm to Pauvetibete
For anyone interested, check out the book "One second after" that focuses on the aftermath of an EMP going off over North America and what comes next after the electrical grid gets shut down. The story takes places in Appalachia. The mountains of Western NC specifically.
One of the angles discussed in the book is the pressure on wildlife after an event like that takes place. After 6 months of over hunting to survive, we'd be lucky to see a squirrel in some areas as wildlife numbers would be pushed to near zero.
Every Tom Dick and Harry in every square of inch the country would be fishing and hunting to try and put food on the table. Nature can only take so much with how large our population is before it has nothing else to give. Very eye opening book.
Keep In mind the South East is now the most populated region of the country by a significant margin. The days of our grand fathers and great grandfathers with low population numbers in the south are long gone. Thanks largely to great weather and an affordable cost of living relative to other regions.
One of the angles discussed in the book is the pressure on wildlife after an event like that takes place. After 6 months of over hunting to survive, we'd be lucky to see a squirrel in some areas as wildlife numbers would be pushed to near zero.
Every Tom Dick and Harry in every square of inch the country would be fishing and hunting to try and put food on the table. Nature can only take so much with how large our population is before it has nothing else to give. Very eye opening book.
Keep In mind the South East is now the most populated region of the country by a significant margin. The days of our grand fathers and great grandfathers with low population numbers in the south are long gone. Thanks largely to great weather and an affordable cost of living relative to other regions.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 1:06 pm
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:45 pm to Pauvetibete
The government will call you an extemist, and put you on a list for worrying about your own survival..
Posted on 2/5/24 at 12:47 pm to Pauvetibete
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a few guys talking about "bugging out" to their camp or to the basin or the woods behind their house/neighborhood in the event something would happen.
Adolescent fantasies. If a situation arose where people felt they had to "bug out" for an expended period of time, it would be hell on earth.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:01 pm to Pauvetibete
Most people would not last very long. With civil unrest you can forget buying gasoline for a vehicle, generator, boat or whatever. It’s way more complicated than you imagine. No way to even get out of the city. You might can bug out but you still have a wife and kids to defend and provide for. Folks can’t live without a cell phone, you think they can go long without drinking water, cooking a rat on a stick or wiping their butt with leaves? What about your prescription meds? We ain’t even began to imagine what a true bug out / civil war would look like.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:01 pm to TigerDeacon
quote:Talk with anyone that has done SERE, after the first day it really starts to suck.
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a few guys talking about "bugging out" to their camp or to the basin or the woods behind their house/neighborhood in the event something would happen.
Adolescent fantasies. If a situation arose where people felt they had to "bug out" for an expended period of time, it would be hell on earth.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:02 pm to mudcat tiger
Americans are pretty fat. Good defense against starvation.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:07 pm to Pauvetibete
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What I don't understand is, do you guys not think that every single person is going to have the EXACT same idea? You will probably end up dealing with more BS than if you just stayed home and waited it out.
The most realistic scenarios (EMP, nuclear attack) are likely to be concentrated on highly populated areas. If you live in a city, staying home won't be an option simply because you'll already be dead (in the case of a nuclear attack) or you'll never be able to defend your resources against the masses.
The problem is getting to your destination though. It would be complete chaos, and only the ones that left early and were likely deemed insane by others would make it to their destination.
If you live in a rural area, but have a different place with more/better resources, you're probably better off handing tight for a while before trying to move to your destination.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:10 pm to Pauvetibete
I'm not so worried about going to the woods to live off the land. I live in a relatively nice area, but in the grand scheme of things, it's 20 minutes from areas I wouldn't go at night. If civilized society went wayside for a minute, I think myself and a few neighbors could possibly get together and set up a plan to keep the area held down somewhat while police aren't available. There's enough USMC license plate frames, personalized plates with "gunner", come and take it stickers, and the like to protect our block from looters.
Already happened enough places in this country. I mean look at Rittenhouse. I personally am not going to go protect property that I'm not living in. But if my family and I are living there, I'd be doing exactly what they did. And I wan't the right stuff in that scenario.
Already happened enough places in this country. I mean look at Rittenhouse. I personally am not going to go protect property that I'm not living in. But if my family and I are living there, I'd be doing exactly what they did. And I wan't the right stuff in that scenario.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:14 pm to Jon A thon
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. If civilized society went wayside for a minute, I think myself and a few neighbors could possibly get together and set up a plan to keep the area held down somewhat while police aren't available.
This would be the best thing. I remember John Lovell talking about bugging out and saying the best thing to do is form a small community with like minded people. It would be far easier than trying to bug out alone or with a small family.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:20 pm to Pauvetibete
In a true breakdown you have to execute the bug out before reality sets in to the masses. Also it isn’t like random people would be heading to your location unless they had previously scoped it out in advance. Those of us already in a semi-rural area have a better chance of making it to the fall back location. I have taken steps to ensure I don’t need to worry about foraging etc for at least 3+ months.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:25 pm to Pauvetibete
This is the reality of a SHTF situation.
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Apparently, the OP thinks 100k citizens of BR are accomplished hunters and fishermen. I disagree. I also don’t think most wives will be ready to camp in a tent vs staying in there homes
The sad reality of that type situation is that you must be ready to kill anyone perceived as a threat.
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Apparently, the OP thinks 100k citizens of BR are accomplished hunters and fishermen. I disagree. I also don’t think most wives will be ready to camp in a tent vs staying in there homes
The sad reality of that type situation is that you must be ready to kill anyone perceived as a threat.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:35 pm to Pauvetibete
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What I don't understand is, do you guys not think that every single person is going to have the EXACT same idea? You will probably end up dealing with more BS than if you just stayed home and waited it out. People talk about wildlife in the woods, and living off the land, but if even 100k people leave BR and head to the basin, their won't be a fish, deer, bear, squirrel left in about a month. So really, why the plans to bug out?
I have my own 100 acre rural property with a 14 acre lake. I have a huge hay barn that can be used for Shelter along with a water well for water.
Posted on 2/5/24 at 1:42 pm to 257WBY
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Apparently, the OP thinks 100k citizens of BR are accomplished hunters and fishermen.
If they aren't they'd learn quick. Also, they wouldn't be sitting by a feed tree waiting on them. Folks would start doing man drives to rivers and such. Also, a deer wouldn't last long if that's all you're eating for protein. 30 to 50 lbs of meat off of a doe, would last a man/woman a month or a little more if you really stretch it. Most folks, including accomplished hunters, don't know jack sh*t about preserving food without refrigeration/freezers. You'd see a lot of folks in the summer killing deer and eating what they can before spoilage then either trashing the rest or getting seriously ill and dying from eating spoiled meat. Same with whatever cattle are around. If you have them you'd better be able to protect them and be able to dry/can a lot of meat at a time.
Population of the US is around 100 people/square mile. Even if half the population dies in the first month or two you'll still have a lot of people dispersing from cities. There'd be folks crawling around everywhere.
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The sad reality of that type situation is that you must be ready to kill anyone perceived as a threat.
Yup. Not a world I'd care to live in. If SHTF I hope whatever bomb hits us lands on my head.
This post was edited on 2/5/24 at 1:47 pm
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