re: "9mm vs 40 sw" The great handgun debate

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cant give em away. glad people are realizing it's a shite cartridge

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If you're looking for someone to give some away to, I can send you my address.

Since when is having the loudest gun at the range unnecessary?

My truck is awesome, you know not of what you speak.

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The only .45's I own are 1911's, but that's in a class all by itself.

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No, no no. Clarify this, so we can knock this out and move on. You said the OB never gives you any reason for the hate of the .40cal and my post was directly refuting that exact statement and proving you wrong. In what way am I arguing anything but that?

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Those are reasons for hate? I disagree. I could see "preference". You continue to read more into post than actually exist. Oh, and you "in every way" comment is objectively wrong.

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The FBI settled the argument once and for all in favor of the 9mm.

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Meh. The G23 was the issue gun of the FBI when I bought one. Were they wrong then and right now?

They were definitely wrong in 1986, but we got the 10mm out of it.

Then that was too much. So, we got the .40 - THEN the ugly gun/magazine ban hit in 1994. Thus the growth of the 40 market, as 9mm magazine capacity advantage waned.

All other things being equal - a hit is a hit, and 1 hit (.17 HMR, .22LR, .25 ACP, etc.) is far superior to any number of misses.

Any pistol cartridge is a compromise - better than "no gun at all" but not all that much better - and that is more and more true the bigger the fight. A pistol is a "good enough gun" to use to fight your way to a "real" gun, i.e. a rifle or a shotgun.

But, over the past 10 to 12 years, bullet technology has relatively evened the playing field, round-for-round, making the 9mm a better choice - with proper cartridge selections of course, Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST (essentially pick one), and Winchester PDX (or equivalent).

Obviously, the older the cartridge design, the bigger bore usually wins in automatic pistol calibers, and this is especially true for ball ammo, which no one in their right mind uses for defense, except the military who has to because of international law and convention.

I hate (pistol) caliber wars as they devolve into such petty, petulant, provincial arguments that don't add up to a hill of beans.

In long guns, caliber does make a difference (with the caveat that, generally, more is better, faster is better and heavier is better). In pistols? Subjective bullshite is subjective. Buy what you want. Shoot the shite out of it. You'll be fine.

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Meh. The G23 was the issue gun of the FBI when I bought one. Were they wrong then and right now?

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I get what you're saying here, but then you go on to say this...

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But, over the past 10 to 12 years, bullet technology has relatively evened the playing field, round-for-round, making the 9mm a better choice - with proper cartridge selections of course, Speer Gold Dot, Federal HST (essentially pick one), and Winchester PDX (or equivalent).

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Which backs up what the FBI found and why I said they settled the argument. I don't get what the point of that was..

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Another poster who wants to argue the semantics of what they said when they realized the thread doesn't go their way.

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That's a great line, and should be used when appropriate.

Is Bapple staying away from this one?

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Is Bapple staying away from this one?

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So far. Bapple and I aren't very far apart on this issue, at least I don't think we are.

I agree that, in 2016, the tie goes to 9mm - if you have access to the top tier defense rounds. If you're limited to ball (military), and you have the choice, you would go .45.

But pistol caliber wars should be relegated to the 20th Century, IMHO.