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re: Zimbabwe to kill 200 lions because no one is hunting them anymore
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:55 am to AwesomeSauce
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:55 am to AwesomeSauce
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I agree with you on the "hunters". I just wanted to point out that these numbers have to be controlled because these conservation areas have other animals whose population they have to concern themselves with as well. These lions have to eat something. When your hunters start to outnumber your prey you have huge problems. More can sound like a good thing until the original number cant even be sustained because their food source has been depleted. It's a balancing act and once the scales start tipping it's not good for conservation.
I agree with this, however I don't believe any numbers coming from Zimbabwe's government to be honest.
frickin' Africa.
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Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:58 am to ThatMakesSense
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What kind of fricking arrow is Dentist Dude using to kill a fricking rhino?
Not sure what you mean? More than likely a slightly heavier arrow than what is typically used which would be about 13-14 grains per inch instead of then normal 9-10 grains per inch. That would give you a considerably more kinetic energy and give you the necessary penetration to put a lethal shot on a big game animal like a rhino. My arrow of choice would be an Easton Full Metal Jacket Dangerous Game series at 16 grains per inch. That would give me a potential kinetic energy transfer of about 124 ft/lbs through my bow rig.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 10:59 am to AwesomeSauce
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When your hunters start to outnumber your prey you have huge problems.
There's not even close to being more lions than prey in Africa.
On the other hand, there is probably enough people who want to hang lion heads on their wall to wipe the creature from the planet. And most African leaders couldn't care any less as long as they get their kickbacks.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:06 am to TheCaterpillar
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Because I think ANY POLITICIAN IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS THAT IS INCAPABLE OF USING RATIONAL THOUGHT AND NOT MAKING INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS TO FURTHER PUSH AN AGENDA, NOT LIMITED TO TED CRUZ, is fricking terrible?
FIFY
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:08 am to dnm3305
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Because I think ANY POLITICIAN IN THE HISTORY OF POLITICS THAT IS INCAPABLE OF USING RATIONAL THOUGHT AND NOT MAKING INFLAMMATORY STATEMENTS TO FURTHER PUSH AN AGENDA, NOT LIMITED TO TED CRUZ EVEN THOUGH HE SEEMS TO BE WORSE AT IT THAN MOST AND IM PRETTY SURE HES BOTH A PEDOPHILE AND SOCIOPATH, is fricking terrible?
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:08 am to UPT
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There's not even close to being more lions than prey in Africa.
I laughed at you calling me naive... now you apparently can't grasp that in a electric fenced reserve that overpopulation can occur. The population of all the animals have to be controlled in order for this to work. If the number of mature lions increases and cubs increase then it will be much tougher to control the population of their food and prevent them from going into a decline. Once in a decline it will be harder to get the numbers up especially if the number of predators is still on the rise.
I do not think this is some wholesome pure save the lions park, but also have the ability to comprehend the text " electrified fence" in the article and to understand that conservationism is a balance that can topple quicker from the bottom end (land, water, prey) and become much harder to control.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:09 am to TheCaterpillar
LINK
so, less likely it's fraud of some dictator.
I just copy and paste stuff, and assume that the story has been properly vetted. But feel free to attack me if it helps you cope.
I assume that they were already "over" what they wanted, but then not getting however many killed that they were expecting has reached a tipping point where natural equilibrium is off.
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Blondie Leathem, general manager of Bubye Valley Conservancy, said: 'I wish we could give about 200 of our lions away to ease the overpopulation.
'If anyone knows of a suitable habitat for them where they will not land up in human conflict, or in wildlife areas where they will not be beaten up because of existing prides, please let us know and help us raise the money to move them.'
so, less likely it's fraud of some dictator.
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Zimbabwe's largest wildlife reserve has warned it may have to cull 200 lions to deal with a population explosion triggered by the international fury over the death of Cecil last year.
Bubye Valley Conservancy, whose owners include Charles Davy, father of Prince Harry's former girlfriend Chelsy, now has more than 500 lions, the most in the country's dwindling wildlife areas.
But they have been destroying populations of antelope, giraffe, cheetah, leopards and wild dogs after the driest summer on record kept grasses low, making them prime targets.
I just copy and paste stuff, and assume that the story has been properly vetted. But feel free to attack me if it helps you cope.
I assume that they were already "over" what they wanted, but then not getting however many killed that they were expecting has reached a tipping point where natural equilibrium is off.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:10 am to AwesomeSauce
Their "fence" is pretty bogus I believe.
That was proven in the Cecil the Lion thing.
That was proven in the Cecil the Lion thing.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:12 am to Kujo
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Kujo
Thank you.
Hopefully people will learn to read an article before trying to argue the validity of said article.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:15 am to TheCaterpillar
quote:Cecil was at Hwange Game Reserve, not Bubye. It really is pertinent to read an article before trying to sound smarter than someone who not only understands the subject, but has also read it.
Their "fence" is pretty bogus I believe.
That was proven in the Cecil the Lion thing.
I respect your opinion, but...
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:15 am to AwesomeSauce
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I laughed at you calling me naive...
You're incredibly naive.
I can't imagine you've done much international traveling.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:22 am to TheCaterpillar
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IM PRETTY SURE HES BOTH A PEDOPHILE AND SOCIOPATH
Still better than being a socialist.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:22 am to UPT
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You're incredibly naive.
I see that not only do you know nothing of conservation, but also did not care to read the article.
Please read the article, I am not naive about the corruption or the impurity of the majority of the said reserves, but I also understand how conservation works. You are merely interjecting a political view and immediately discrediting anyone or anything from a country simply because it is in said country. While discretion should be had and articles like this should be taken with a grain of salt, that does not mean that I cannot look at this without a bias and discern how something like this IF TRUE can truly be devastating to conservation efforts for one of the world's most beautiful creatures.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:33 am to TheCaterpillar
The fence in question by your assumptions...
Did you even read the article or just start spouting things off?
And with Cecil it was upsetting because the guides lured him off the conservatory into an unprotected site. Usually guides will cut parts of the fence down in order to do this.
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The conservation area was founded 22 years ago by Charles Davy, the rancher father of Chelsy Davy, Prince Harry’s former girlfriend. It is now majority-owned by Dubai World, the investment fund of the wealthy emirate’s government.
Millions of dollars were spent fencing 5,000 square kilometres of land previously cleared of wildlife by decades of cattle farming. The fence was then electrified and hundreds of people were hired to protect wildlife imported to the park.
Did you even read the article or just start spouting things off?
And with Cecil it was upsetting because the guides lured him off the conservatory into an unprotected site. Usually guides will cut parts of the fence down in order to do this.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:48 am to TheCaterpillar
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Let’s say 40 lions weren’t killed because of this.
How about 200 fricking lions weren't killed by hunters to keep the population in control. Why is it not that fricking simple? All these animal experts on here know more than the people managing the population.
This place is full of pansy arse idiots.
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 11:50 am
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:51 am to Kujo
First, they came for the lions, and I did not speak out...
Posted on 2/23/16 at 11:54 am to offshoretrash
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offshoretrash
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Farmerville, La
That explains why you are so reasonable with your analysis.
71241
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:04 pm to I Love Bama
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Overpopulation in a year? That isn't how this works.
man
thats a lot of fricking lions
This post was edited on 2/23/16 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:19 pm to offshoretrash
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All these animal experts on here know more than the people managing the population.
I just question those managing the population.
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This place is full of pansy arse idiots.
I don't GAF about killing lions if there are enough lions. I just think people don't understand where their money goes and how bullshite this "conservation" shite is in most of these corrupt African countries.
This dictator is a proven POS.
Posted on 2/23/16 at 12:25 pm to AwesomeSauce
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Cecil was at Hwange Game Reserve, not Bubye. It really is pertinent to read an article before trying to sound smarter than someone who not only understands the subject, but has also read it.
I said the country's fence and meant fences. Didn't make it plural. I didn't think the entire country had a fence around it, sorry.
I don't trust a damn thing in Zumbabwe though.
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