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re: Youth Coaches - Cutting a Player
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:13 pm to partsman103
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:13 pm to partsman103
Thanks, partsman103. It sounds like it worked out well for your son. One question, since I know you kept track.....
How did the other team that cut your son do the next year?
How did the other team that cut your son do the next year?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:15 pm to choupiquesushi
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Kids age and mature at different rates......some of the kids u are writing off now may hit growth or maturity spurts
I was held back in pitching machine when I was in 5th grade. While I wasn't happy about it at the time, it was probably for the best.
Having a late birthday I was always on the smaller side. Never really caught up until college. I wish I would have had the same type of size and speed in HS that I was able develop in college.
Oh well, I was never meant to be anyway.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:17 pm to T
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I don't think kids under 13 should ever be cut from sports teams.
How do you form all star teams then? let all 60 kids play from the feeder league?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:18 pm to One Story House
Also, my kid was not extended an offer to play for a travel team last year. It stung a little since I coached a few of the kids who did make the team and knew my kid was better. What did I tell him? If you want to play at a higher level with other kids who can play baseball we will have to work harder at it. His response was "Let's start today." To be honest he had a terrible tryout and I wouldn't have picked him on his performance that day alone. We went to another tryout and he was offered. In the end we are in a better program now.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:25 pm to One Story House
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How did the other team that cut your son do the next year?
Not much change really. Cut 6, filled with 6 more and remained at the AAA level.
Did well in Cooperstown, finished in the top 10.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:32 pm to tgrbaitn08
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here's a little tip partsman103, every parent thinks their child is 50 percent better than they really are.
I know this. But he lets his play do the talking and the awards he earned were due to his work and dedication. Daddy had nothing to do with it.
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Maybe the coach just didnt like you or your sons attitude.
Has a great attitude. When he makes an error he owns it. He does as asked and then some and respectful of the coaches. Shakes the umpires hands after every game and doesn't bitch about bad calls because he knows its a game and everyone makes mistakes from time to time.
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Sounds like you took your son getting cut a little too personal.
My reaction was anger, not going to lie. But in the end we remain as friends and I appreciated his honesty.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:43 pm to SpqrTiger
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Here's how I handled it. I coached youth baseball for 16 seasons.
The first thing you do is you send an e-mail to the parents and you let them know that you're wiping the roster clean and you're holding tryouts for the next season. I did this going from 11-12 level to 13-14 level, because the field size changes and not everyone is cut out for the bigger field. Most of the parents of the kids who are not up to snuff see the handwriting on the wall and cut themselves. Some don't. In the e-mail make it clear that just because you have SPACE on the roster doesn't mean you are going to fill that space. You are looking for minimum qualifications to fit the roster slot.
Then you get on the phone and start talking to players you are interested in bringing on to your team, and encourage them to try out. Also check with your league for any players looking for new homes, and start circulating the word that you're holding a tryout.
Now, this is how you make a proper cut of a player:
The first thing you do in a tryout is time them at 60 yards. Record the data.
Have them do fielding drills. Record data on arm strength and accuracy, fielding ability, position knowledge.
Give them all 10 pitches to hit. Record data on contact and power.
Let any and all pitchers pitch. Record data on throwing power and accuracy.
Ask all players if there is any drill they wish to repeat. Let them hit again if they think they screwed up the first time around. Let them run again if they think they were off their game. Record data.
You see the pattern, right? Record numbers on everyone. And when you make your cuts, you have data backing up why you are cutting someone. You are being fair this way.
Have every coach on the team keep data and together you make the call on who makes the team and who doesn't.
Something else you can do is invite a veteran coach to the tryout who has no relation to your team whatsoever. Have him evaluate your players using the same system you use, as an audit. That way you can ensure your own fairness and demonstrate to any challenger that you are attempting to be as unbiased as possible. He doesn't have to have a say on who makes the team, but that's up to you.
When you cut a player, send him an e-mail within one day that looks like this:
Dear xxxxxx,
Thank you for trying out today with the (team name). We appreciate your interest and your hard work today. We had a good tryout and it was difficult to make a decision on the final roster. At this time, we do not have a roster spot available for you. In evaluating your performance at the tryout today, our coaching staff had the following observations:
Strengths: You showed good speed and good knowledge of your position.
Areas to work on: Our coaching staff suggests you continue to work on your hitting for contact, throwing power and throwing accuracy.
If you have any questions, feel free to contact me at xxx-xxxx. I would be happy to discuss your tryout further with you.
Our staff wishes you the best of luck as your further your baseball career and we look forward to seeing you on the diamond again soon.
I totally agree with this approach and the nature of baseball especially lends itself to data gathering.
That said, I would never cut a kid younger than 10 for athletic reasons (i.e. behavior, by the athlete or the parents/family, could warrant a cut). I also believe in participation trophies through age 7 (2nd grade) - so I am a little softer than some who post here.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:50 pm to SwatMitchell
If your kid isn't playing for the Louisiana Tigers (McClure farm) then you are just wasting your time.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:11 pm to LSUDAN1
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Apparently you can't coach very well if this is happening. Every kid can be coached to hit at the coaches pitch level. It just takes someone who can coach them.
correct...
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:12 pm to LSUDAN1
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If your kid isn't playing for the Louisiana Tigers (McClure farm) then you are just wasting your time.
not so fast.....
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:20 pm to choupiquesushi
Practice? We talkin bout practice?!
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:25 pm to One Story House
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:27 pm to Lester Earl
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How do you form all star teams then? let all 60 kids play from the feeder league
that's not the same as being cut
Posted on 6/16/14 at 1:32 pm to One Story House
Didn't read the entire thread, but I hope somebody told the OP that the tryouts should be evaluated by a third party, and then the coach is informed of who made the team.
Let the other kids stick to rec league.
Let the other kids stick to rec league.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:25 pm to Bill Parker?
To the OP, the kids that you are looking at do the kids want to play or do the parents want/make them play?
If it's the parents then you will have some pissed off parents who in all likelyhood think little jimmy the flower picker is the next all-star. If it's the kid then the parents are more than likely to understand.
If it's the parents then you will have some pissed off parents who in all likelyhood think little jimmy the flower picker is the next all-star. If it's the kid then the parents are more than likely to understand.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:58 pm to Bill Parker?
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the tryouts should be evaluated by a third party, and then the coach is informed of who made the team.
I would do this. Takes the heat off.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 2:58 pm to Bill Parker?
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that the tryouts should be evaluated by a third party, and then the coach is informed of who made the team.
the hell.....
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:07 pm to Bill Parker?
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I hope somebody told the OP that the tryouts should be evaluated by a third party, and then the coach is informed of who made the team.
Meh. My middle school used to do this and it always screwed up the team. We would practice with the coaches for two weeks prior to tryouts and they'd know who the ten best were. But then it never failed that one or two of those ten had a bad tryout or was injured and ended up getting put on the "B" squad because the third-party coach only evaluated players for one day.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 3:09 pm to One Story House
Friendship with kid and family will end. Hopefully those parents will realize their kid is better off at a level that suits him rather than being in above his head.
Doesnt make it any less difficult though...
Doesnt make it any less difficult though...
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