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re: Would cops be less trigger happy if guns were outlawed?

Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:12 am to
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:12 am to
Those are the types of idiot that typically state the idiocy you did. Figured you could relate.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:17 am to
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You know how cocaine is illegal but some people manage to get their hands on it? Drug cartels would just become gun cartels.


Maybe so, but the problem would be a fraction of what it is now. Depending on foreign manufacturers would drive up gun costs astronomically. Plus you have the added benefit that most guns are generally not addictive.

Don't know if it matters, but most guns that the cartels use are made here in the US.
Posted by jeff5891
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:26 am to
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Among the population that is infamous for having them in their possession? Absolutely.
you guys are acting like the black market is like going to academy sports. Lol
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 9:27 am
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:27 am to
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Don't know if it matters, but most guns that the cartels use are made here in the US.



I would think that would make the difference. Someone earlier claimed that the US is the top manufacturer of guns in the world. I'm inclined to think this is true.

Guns aren't like cocaine or other drugs. With cocaine you pretty much just need to farm land to grow the plants and maybe the proper climate. With guns you need the industrial capability. I doubt other countries have the same industrial capability as us to wholly replace what we produce if we drastically cut down.
Posted by USMCTiger03
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:27 am to
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Maybe so, but the problem would be a fraction of what it is now.

What problem is that exactly? Gun deaths? Murder overall? Crime overall?
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Depending on foreign manufacturers would drive up gun costs astronomically.

No, just like there isn't only one high-end choice for illegal drugs, the market (black in this case) would have the usual range of cheap guns and up to the nicer higher end guns. In this scenario, There's probably more money to be made by more cheap guns than less high end guns. It's just pure economics.
Posted by JG77056
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:28 am to
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Depending on foreign manufacturers would drive up gun costs astronomically. Plus you have the added benefit that most gu


Drugs made in America are way more expensive than drugs made in Mexico, why would guns be any different. The reason they aren't making them now is because anybody can go to a gun store and buy one so the black market demand isn't very high.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:34 am to
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There's probably more money to be made by more cheap guns than less high end guns. It's just pure economics.


So in this scenario, would you assume that criminals would go against the police knowing they will be outgunned? I would think criminals would think twice about bringing at crappy Mexican peashooter vs a high end gun that most police carry.

ETA- To answer your question- the biggest problem I see is the percieved (real or not) threat to police by people who could be armed. Because of this, it escalates the situation when it doesn't have to be if the police know they are dealing with unarmed people. Like I said earlier most encounters turn out better for everyone when the police don't feel threatened.
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 9:39 am
Posted by forksup
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:35 am to
True. For all the people arguing, "this is stupid", I think it only seems stupid because it's your constitutional right, and it's been in place for 200+ years. I think it's way too late to implement this, and it'd get protested to death, literally.

At least in Korea, the only threat of violence is from hand weapons, getting beat up by Korean gangs or exchange currency grandma's gang protection, and fist throwing disputes. I've never walked even in the ghettos there and thought," I NEED to get out of here" like a lot of south side areas in the U.S.
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:38 am to
If guns were banned, there would still be illegal guns out there which criminals would use.

Now if guns ceased to exist, then absolutely this world would be a safer place. But this scenario is impossible; we are way passed the point of no return.

Disclosure- I own 6 handguns and shooting is my favorite hobby
Posted by Peazey
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:38 am to
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In this scenario, There's probably more money to be made by more cheap guns than less high end guns. It's just pure economics.



The economics are undoubtedly more complicated than you're making it sound. It just seems like you are making a blind assertion.
Posted by BulldogNation
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:42 am to
Here is another thought, if gun production ceased to exist in the US what about all the employees laid off?
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:45 am to
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Disclosure- I own 6 handguns and shooting is my favorite hobby


Me too. I love shooting. I am not saying take everyone's guns away.
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:45 am to
Its "idiocy" to understand history?

Its not just the situation in Germany to look on either. China,Cambodia are also hold historic reasoning.

Idiocy is the belief that it could never happen here and that history never repeats itself.

Of course there is this and like him I do not own a gun.

“Among the many misdeeds of British rule in India, history will look upon the Act depriving a whole nation of arms as the blackest.” Ghandi

This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 9:51 am
Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:48 am to
The fact you believe regular people owning guns is the only thing keeping us from going "SS" all over the damn place speaks highly of your idiocy.
Posted by 632627
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:48 am to
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Yea they could then just run around like the SS


I love this kind of stupidity.


Jim Bob and Bubba with their tricked out AR-15 knockoffs aren't doing anything to prevent us from running around "like the SS."

The fact we aren't out to eradicate a race of people, oppress people, or generally do Nazi shite keeps us from doing that. The fact we took an oath to protect and serve our country/community stops us from doing that. Most importantly, the fact we aren't evil prevents us from doing that. We've got better guns than you anyway...


Agreed 100%. Anyone who thinks that civilians need guns to protect ourselves against our own government is nuts, and it's fricking insulting.

People like/want/need guns for hunting, sporting and self defense needs; and I support that. But let's be real; nobody here is in a militia. Our military and police are well armed and trained, if they would have wanted to turn on the American citizens there is nothing that a bunch of regular joes with glock 17's and ar-15s can do about it. I love my guns, but I fully realize the 2nd amendment was written almost 250 years ago in much, much different times.
Posted by Catman88
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Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:52 am to
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is the only thing keeping us from going "SS"


Where did I say this?

Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:56 am to
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Our military and police are well armed and trained,




Posted by Rebelgator
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 9:57 am to
Right about here.

This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 9:58 am
Posted by Catman88
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Dec 2004
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:06 am to
There are a few steps that occur before you get to that point. I guess the point just flew over your head. But I'm guessing you cant understand that.

Having an armed population does many things for this country maybe too much for you to comprehend. Disarming the populace is definitely one of the first steps in governance of a tyrant. Becoming a police state is definitely the goal of any tyrant.

We have a Constitution that is becoming more and more meaningless by the day. The separation of powers in this country is slowly eroding. Ban guns today and tomorrow you will most certainly not see the hyperbole made of the SS running around but you certainly cant guarantee that 50 years from now for our children can you?

All for what?? A very very small part of the population wants to kill. Does the end justify the means?
This post was edited on 8/4/15 at 10:07 am
Posted by bencoleman
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Posted on 8/4/15 at 10:13 am to
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632627







You simply don't know what you are talking about.
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