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re: Who garners more respect as an educator:the high school teacher or college prof?
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:36 pm to StringedInstruments
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:36 pm to StringedInstruments
College professors probably get more respect just because they teach at the college level. That being said, I think my elementary school teachers could teach circles around a lot of my college professors.
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Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:36 pm to LSUTygerFan
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wild guess but, i knew it aired in the early 60's
ought to consider trying out for Jeopardy or Wheel of Fortune
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:45 pm to StringedInstruments
I respected my college professors more because I found them to have more knowledge, but I appreciated my high school teachers more for actually giving a shite and wanting their students to actually learn/understand the material.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 3:50 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:51 pm to StringedInstruments
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Professors just don't give a shite about being good "teachers" in the sense that teaching is a craft.
that may be true at an elite R1.
but at a regional university, liberal arts college, or community college, where teaching is paramount, you will typically encounter a different attitude.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:55 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
that's true of high schools as well. the lower student to teacher ratio a school has, the better individualized teaching you'll see.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 3:55 pm to mkibod1
Many of us remember certain teachers from grade school or high school who were not only superb teachers where the material was concerned, but their passion for it, and their work with their students in other aspects of life.
I remember some of my university and grad. instructors who were good in class, and obviously knew their stuff. But the teacher I look up to the most was a high school teacher. In fact I look up to quite a few of them to this day.
As someone who has been involved in education for 22 years, now, from a Catholic PreK-8, to a private PreK-12 (focusing on 6-12) to a university and now at a graduate level institution, I know I have had the most students come back and compliment me from the very first job, and now at this one. That's quite the spread, and it's rewarding beyond all measure.
I remember some of my university and grad. instructors who were good in class, and obviously knew their stuff. But the teacher I look up to the most was a high school teacher. In fact I look up to quite a few of them to this day.
As someone who has been involved in education for 22 years, now, from a Catholic PreK-8, to a private PreK-12 (focusing on 6-12) to a university and now at a graduate level institution, I know I have had the most students come back and compliment me from the very first job, and now at this one. That's quite the spread, and it's rewarding beyond all measure.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:01 pm to Bunsbert Montcroff
As a semi pro student I absolutely agree. Forcing researchers to teach auditorium classes doesn't help anyone. But if you have someone who gives a damn about how people learn you can work magic.
And while grad assistants need to do something, that something isn't teaching freshmen. At UNO they're letting undergrads, as early as sophomore year, teach Chem labs.
And while grad assistants need to do something, that something isn't teaching freshmen. At UNO they're letting undergrads, as early as sophomore year, teach Chem labs.
This post was edited on 10/2/14 at 4:02 pm
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:06 pm to StringedInstruments
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I understand you sentiment as it seems many share the same views.
But intelligence isn't what's being considered here. I'm talking about the ability to teach. Not necessarily IQ, content knowledge, or intellectualism.
I typically ignored my high school teachers and taught myself the material, or got together with a couple of my friends and taught each other the material. I'm not sure if that is a product of me being an a-hole or my teachers not being very good.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:07 pm to RedPop4
I think HS teachers affect kids a lot more in a positive way than college. I have seen some great HS teachers that have the ability to turn a troubled young person's life around. These teachers are worth a lot more than they are getting paid. College professors don't see as many troubled youth as HS and don't get the chance to help these young people like a HS teacher.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:09 pm to Traffic Circle
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All the college professors I had were some sort of graduate student from India that couldn't speak English too well.
Are you sure they were professors and not just instructors? A lot of undergrad classes are thought by instructors who don't even have a phd.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:11 pm to StringedInstruments
You lost me at pedagology... pedagogogy... pedalogy... whatever.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:19 pm to StringedInstruments
I've done both. Teaching is a trade, like plumbing. You learn the mechanics of conveying information and controlling the learning environment over time. The ones who want to be good at it are always tweaking and revising their methods and materials.
That said, there's absolutely no substitute for content mastery and the quickest way to sink a ship is for it to become obvious to the class that you don't know the subject that well. On the other when the class becomes aware that you do, in fact, know the subject backwards and forwards, that can draw them into the course, get them interested and, in turn, make the transfer of information more efficient.
Good high school teachers probably have a greater chance to make an impact on students' lives. Unfortunately, the number of teachers who hold their students' feet to fire and have administrations that support them challenging the students is very, very low. I teach mostly freshmen and sophomores at an SEC school and we have to spend a good bit of time teaching them study skills and reading tactics just so they can complete the course - and these are generally students who were in the upper 20% of their high school classes. It's part of the reason why we put so much weight on the ACT/SAT -- the GPAs are now, for the most part, complete shite as a measure of your intellectual ability/achievement because they've watered them down for political/social/feel-good reasons.
I will say this, though: I'm not a huge fan of open-ended tenure because I've seen way too many of my colleagues get it and then sit on their asses for twenty years, using the shield of tenure as an excuse for acting like little bitches to the dean, president, and chancellor, kind of like a shite arse kid yelling at people from behind a fence.
That said, there's absolutely no substitute for content mastery and the quickest way to sink a ship is for it to become obvious to the class that you don't know the subject that well. On the other when the class becomes aware that you do, in fact, know the subject backwards and forwards, that can draw them into the course, get them interested and, in turn, make the transfer of information more efficient.
Good high school teachers probably have a greater chance to make an impact on students' lives. Unfortunately, the number of teachers who hold their students' feet to fire and have administrations that support them challenging the students is very, very low. I teach mostly freshmen and sophomores at an SEC school and we have to spend a good bit of time teaching them study skills and reading tactics just so they can complete the course - and these are generally students who were in the upper 20% of their high school classes. It's part of the reason why we put so much weight on the ACT/SAT -- the GPAs are now, for the most part, complete shite as a measure of your intellectual ability/achievement because they've watered them down for political/social/feel-good reasons.
I will say this, though: I'm not a huge fan of open-ended tenure because I've seen way too many of my colleagues get it and then sit on their asses for twenty years, using the shield of tenure as an excuse for acting like little bitches to the dean, president, and chancellor, kind of like a shite arse kid yelling at people from behind a fence.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:23 pm to StringedInstruments
high school teachers have a captive, and overcrowded class. their job is classroom management first, then instruction.
professors teach to adults who WANT to be there.
its a different challenge at each level. but I think the professor gets the nod, because of the mandatory PhD and required ongoing study or academic writing.
professors teach to adults who WANT to be there.
its a different challenge at each level. but I think the professor gets the nod, because of the mandatory PhD and required ongoing study or academic writing.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:24 pm to StringedInstruments
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Who garners more respect as an educator:the high school teacher or college prof?
If you're Walter White, it's a no brainer.
Posted on 10/2/14 at 4:30 pm to 777Tiger
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dude was awesome, trivia: in the original opening credits, why is the harbor flag at half mast?
Filmed the day JFK was shot
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