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When did cops go from protect and serve to comply or die?

Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:14 pm
Posted by TJGator1215
FL/TN
Member since Sep 2011
14174 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:14 pm
Maybe it was always just a lie, but it seems that with social media we hear about cops killing more unarmed people today. This is a great read.

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Between 2007 and 2012, 753 police departments reported some 2,400 killings. The majority of law enforcement agencies didn’t report their numbers at all. A recent report by the Wall Street Journalfound that the number of killings offered in the internal police reports from the 105 largest police departments were some 45 percent higher than the number reported by the FBI.

When taking all these numbers into account we can say two things with certainty.

Being a police officer is not nearly as dangerous as it’s made out to be (in fact, yourroofer is more likely to die putting shingles on your house, or your garbage man collecting trash, than a neighborhood cop patrolling the streets).Killings by police are significant and are likely under reported.


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Do exactly what I say, and we'll get along fine.

Do not question me or talk back in any way.

You do not have the right to object to anything I may say or ask you to do, or ask for clarification if my demands are unclear or contradictory.

You must obey me under all circumstances without hesitation, no matter how arbitrary, unreasonable, discriminatory, or blatantly racist my commands may be.

Anything other than immediate perfect servile compliance will be labeled as resisting arrest, and expose you to the possibility of a violent reaction from me.

That reaction could cause you severe injury or even death.

And I will suffer no consequences.

It's your choice:  Comply, or die.




A cops tips in dealing with them:
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Someone named haziz spells out the rules in more detail:

My 5 tips on how black and others can survive a police encounter with police are very simple and if you stop and think about it make a lot of sense:
1.Do NOT under any circumstance ARGUE with police out in the street. You cannot win an argument with police out in the field.
2.2. Do NOt raise your voice, but stay cool and calm. Do NOT make any quick or aggressive movements. Remember the police officer does NOT know you and will react to protect himself or those around him.
3.Police know that hands kill, so always keep your hands in plain sight. Before you move your hands ask permission, officer I need to go into my back pocket to get my ID, is that OK with you?
4.NEVER run from police even if you are innocent. When you run you create a heightened sense that something must be wrong here.
5.DO NOT resist arrest – if you do one of three things is going to happen:
a.You are going to get beat down till you stop resisting
b.You are going to get injured or accidentally killed
c.And you are going to have charges taken out against you





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Tyrannical cops wear their entitlement disorder on their sleeves thus:

When I am on the job it's your responsibility to make my life as easy as possible and don't do anything that might get me angry or otherwise set me off:  Just do exactly what I tell you, precisely and without delay, no matter how unreasonable.

If I decide I want to frisk you, let me.  If I decide I want to arrest you, let me.  If this is the fifth time I've hassled you this month, let me.  My whim counts for more than your dignity.  My right to delay you just because I can is more important than anything else you may have to do today.  Even if you were just minding your business and haven't done anything wrong, or have no idea why I picked you out for special attention, just get on the ground when told or spread yourself across the patrol car, or put your hands behind your back for the cuffs.  Let me take you away without raising your voice above a whimper, or preferably, without saying anything at all unless I order you to.

Submit quietly and cooperate with your own oppression.  

Or I may kill you.

And if I kill you, it's your fault, not mine.  I'll say you resisted. I'll say you were combative.  I'll say I believed you were a threat to me, and the powers that be will side with me.  No one outside of the neighborhood is going to believe you or stand with you.  Even if my actions are captured on video.

By the way, while you are subjugating yourself to me, a little sir yes sir Officer Sir, and is this OK with you sir would be nice along with it.  Look at how many police forces prefer to have men who served in the military.  Is it because they got used to hearing sir yes sir from everyone around them, or they had to say it themselves and now want someone else to say it to them? Either way, too many of them have an unhealthy thirst for the exercise of power.



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This post was edited on 3/28/16 at 12:15 pm
Posted by PuntBamaPunt
Member since Nov 2010
10070 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:16 pm to
i don't doubt it's been this way for a while, you just hear more about it thanks to the interweb.

same reason they don't want body cams.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35289 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:16 pm to
OT about to be triggered af
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
118943 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:18 pm to
quote:

When did cops go from protect and serve to comply or die?


Do you really think it's this black and white? Are you Rex, Tangerine or Kitten?
Posted by Ingeniero
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2013
18259 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:19 pm to
Look, I found a picture of the articles you posted
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20870 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

Being a police officer is not nearly as dangerous as it’s made out to be (in fact, yourroofer is more likely to die putting shingles on your house, or your garbage man collecting trash, than a neighborhood cop patrolling the streets).


I hate that this has been overplayed to give the popo more respect and more credibility.

Posted by Tshiz
Idaho
Member since Jul 2013
7544 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:20 pm to
Que lsutangerine and supersaint
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259939 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:20 pm to
Early 90's
Posted by munchman
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
10321 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:21 pm to
All the statistics are "USUALLY" for those who like to live next to the line or across the line...or have a total disrespect for law enforcement.

I choose and have chosen, when confronted by cops, who I thought were unreasonable, to comply with their directives.....thus I have stayed out of jail and alive.


Fight it out in court, but comply......SIMPLE
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86438 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:22 pm to
quote:

My 5 tips on how black and others can survive a police encounter with police are very simple and if you stop and think about it make a lot of sense:

1.Do NOT under any circumstance ARGUE with police out in the street. You cannot win an argument with police out in the field.
2.2. Do NOt raise your voice, but stay cool and calm. Do NOT make any quick or aggressive movements. Remember the police officer does NOT know you and will react to protect himself or those around him.
3.Police know that hands kill, so always keep your hands in plain sight. Before you move your hands ask permission, officer I need to go into my back pocket to get my ID, is that OK with you?
4.NEVER run from police even if you are innocent. When you run you create a heightened sense that something must be wrong here.
5.DO NOT resist arrest – if you do one of three things is going to happen:
a.You are going to get beat down till you stop resisting
b.You are going to get injured or accidentally killed
c.And you are going to have charges taken out against you


All of that makes perfect sense. Really not hard to follow either.

When dealing with law enforcement, even if you're 100% innocent of everything, do as they ask, don't be confrontational or try to argue, and your situaitno will turn out far better than it would if you try to "keep it real" or get some youtube footage.
Posted by CtotheVrzrbck
WeWaCo
Member since Dec 2007
37538 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:23 pm to
miliatirizing the police forces and teaching them urban combat tactics that treat everyone as a possible threat really made the police forces dark when you add in some corruption and the hysteria behind drug gangs having bigger and better weapons than the police themselves had.

Personally I think spending more emotional intelligence and psychological training gets more results than SWAT,quick response and urban warfare training.

Taking cops off the streets where they'd get to know people and learn to feel the street rather than stay in their cars looking for shite to happen or waiting for a call to come in guns blazing like a wild west cowboy was a bad move.
Posted by MSMHater
Houston
Member since Oct 2008
22774 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:24 pm to
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When did cops go from protect and serve to comply or die?


Do you really think it's this black and white?


Of course not. The different shades of grey are what we argue about in every cop thread.

But I do believe their training has turned away from protecting citizens and more towards self preservation at all costs.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20870 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

choose and have chosen, when confronted by cops, who I thought were unreasonable, to comply with their directives.....thus I have stayed out of jail and alive.


Would you consent to a search of you home/car/office if confronted by them? Or does you standing up for your rights get squashed by their directives?
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86438 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:25 pm to
quote:

I hate that this has been overplayed to give the popo more respect and more credibility.



I wish that we could do some kind of experiment (this is impossible and would never happen, so it's just dreamland at this point) where there were no police. All the people who hate on cops and talk shite about them nonstop, I'm very curious what they'd do when their house is being robbed, their family kidnapped, their kids raped, etc. It's fun to hate on the police because they make you late by ticketing you when you're speeding but people who think they aren't valuable and aren't NEEDED (which they very much are) are just flat out ignorant.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
259939 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:27 pm to
quote:

miliatirizing the police forces and teaching them urban combat tactics that treat everyone as a possible threat really made the police forces dark when you add in some corruption and the hysteria behind drug gangs having bigger and better weapons than the police themselves had.


I believe you're correct. We took military tactics and employed them with urban law enforcement officers and it created a divide between citizens and cop. The war on drugs had much to do with it as well as soldiers returning from deployment.

Proactive policing replaced community policing, which meant self defense at all cost.
Posted by TeddyPadillac
Member since Dec 2010
25454 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:28 pm to
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When did cops go from protect and serve to comply or die?



When idiots decided they'd try to test the limits of what they can do in the presence of a person with a gun.


This article was full of bull shite.


Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
20870 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:31 pm to
quote:

wish that we could do some kind of experiment (this is impossible and would never happen, so it's just dreamland at this point) where there were no police. All the people who hate on cops and talk shite about them nonstop, I'm very curious what they'd do when their house is being robbed, their family kidnapped, their kids raped, etc. It's fun to hate on the police because they make you late by ticketing you when you're speeding but people who think they aren't valuable and aren't NEEDED (which they very much are) are just flat out ignorant.


Believe it or not, sometimes the answer is not more prisons, more law enforcement, or more laws. This is being played out in the super successful war on drugs at the moment.

I don't doubt the need for police. They serve a valuable role. I just think the "comply or die" mentality is not the best for serving the community. More often it most benefits the LE agency by giving themselves more power.
Posted by WG_Dawg
Hoover
Member since Jun 2004
86438 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:32 pm to
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treat everyone as a possible threat


in that line of work, everyone is.

99 times out of 100, at a routine traffic pullover for a simple speeding violation it's going to be a pretty routine situation.

But there's that 1 time where the officer is approaching the driver window like he's done a hundred times before and the driver pulls a gun and shoots em in the face. It's happened, and will happen again.

Police officers don't know that you're a nice guy or that you feed the hungry and tithe every week. When they approach a situation, they don't know if you're a great guy or a hardened criminal. They SHOULD treat everyone as a possible threat.


Every time I'm pulled over on the road, I do a few things automatically. I roll my driver window down, I turn off the engine, I get my license and paper and set it on my lap, and put my hands on teh steering wheel. I do all that to make the situation as non-threatining as possible. You know how many tickets I've gotten recently? None...last one I got was about 6 years ago. I don't think that's a coincidence.
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
126962 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:32 pm to
Chris Rock said it better.....

How to Not Get Your arse Kicked by the Police
Posted by VaBamaMan
North AL
Member since Apr 2013
7649 posts
Posted on 3/28/16 at 12:34 pm to
For the record, I've noticed the biggest difference between cops with military experience, and those without. Specifically ex-mps, the one I've talked to firmly believe they are allowed to deny you and right they feel necessary to stay safe. Whereas cops from a civilian background tend to be much more aware of civilian rights.

I've had a very close friend, who was an mp, defend her breaking of civil rights because "She had to do what was necessary to get him safe".

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