Oh, jesus. How can you say "despite the number of miles traveled"?! That makes zero sense. What you should say is "despite increasing population, number of cars on the road, and increasing miles driven, fatalities have surprisingly not risen".

Why don't you look a couple columns over where they give the number that matters, and see how it has been dropping since 1963 and continues to drop, even significantly in the last decade. Road fatality rates have been CUT IN HALF since 1990, and dropped by 30% from 2004-2014.

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Posted by Mo Jeaux

Member since Aug 2008

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:51 pm to Korkstand

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Oh, jesus. How can you say "despite the number of miles traveled"?! That makes zero sense. What you should say is "despite increasing population, number of cars on the road, and increasing miles driven, fatalities have surprisingly not risen".

Why don't you look a couple columns over where they give the number that matters, and see how it has been dropping since 1963 and continues to drop, even significantly in the last decade. Road fatality rates have been CUT IN HALF since 1990, and dropped by 30% from 2004-2014.

He's high. He has to be. It's asinine. It's like the Louis C.K. bit about people bitching about airline travel. Despite a significant increase in the number of people on the roads and the number of miles driven by those people, fatality rates have not risen significantly and are generally lower than 30 years ago, but my God!, my God! I may have to bring a car into the shop because it has a software glitch!!!! The travesty!!!

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Posted by Teddy Ruxpin

Member since Oct 2006

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:54 pm to Mo Jeaux

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This. My wife and I just got a new SUV, which has some of these bells and whistles that the OP is complaining about, and I love them. It's amazing to me how far cars have come in just the past ten years.

A few years ago I was still driving the 1996 Civic my dad bought for me in high school. One day, we take my wife's car into the shop, and the BMW loaner car made me feel like a senior citizen (was 28 at the time). Thing was a damn spaceship I felt totally out of control

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Posted by Korkstand

Member since Nov 2003

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:55 pm to CAD703X

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dude, surely you're not so ignorant you didn't notice the hockey stick began to level out after 1970 huh?

I'd like to address this again with the numbers behind the chart I posted, which can be found here.

Let me summarize:

1920-1930 -- 37% reduction in fatalities per mile
1930-1940 -- 28%
1940-1950 -- 34%
1950-1960 -- 30%
1960-1970 -- 6%
1970-1980 -- 29%
1980-1990 -- 38%
1990-2000 -- 26%
2000-2010 -- 27%

Show me where that "hockey stick" levels out (aside from that hiccup in the 60s when nobody gave a frick).

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Posted by Them

People's Republic of Bozeman

Member since Nov 2008

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Posted on 7/26/16 at 2:59 pm to Gaston

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fricking heartbreaking that even companies like BMW bow to this trend since it's not even a stat that people judge vehicles by. No one gives a shite what it feels like anymore. It's just unbelievable.

If BMW only built cars like your manual E60 and didn't build SUVs of any kind, they would be a pretty small niche manufacturer at best and they would have gone out of business 5 years ago at worst. The X5 prints money for BMW, and the Cayenne literally saved Porsche as a company in the early 2000s.

Porsche's amazing success at Le Mans the past 2 years? Them having the money to engineer and build the insane 918 Spyder? The new turbo base model 911s and turbo flat-four 718 Cayman/Boxsters?

Thank the Cayenne and Panamera for all that.

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