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re: What's the next technological advancement to make cars crappier?

Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:52 pm to
Posted by Gaston
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:52 pm to
BTW, Ken's is over by the airport now, the location by Vandy burned some time ago, and it was absolutely insane. I felt strange driving across the city to eat sushi, but it was about 2:45 and Sushiyobi wasn't open until 3:30.

Best sushi I've had a while. Wife asked what I was eating so I snapped some pics.




I ended up at The Gold Rush after reading for a bit at the Parthenon. Hit that Barnes and Nobles up for a Sartre book.
Posted by Cap Crunch
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:56 pm to
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Your list of reasons why you drive a vehicle and mine are much different...but you're winnIng...and it sucks for my side.

The list of reasons to drive a vehicle is pretty short:

1. Start at point A
2. Get to point B
3. ?????
4. Profit
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:57 pm to


Wife and I went to primos in the gulch. Sucked. We went to bar Louie afterward and that was a blast.
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 12:58 pm to
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No offense kork but these assholes frick with the wattage and wiring of oem radios so you can't even swap out a head unit these days without major headaches.
Hey I know, they want you to take it in to a dealer for everything.
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You honestly think you're going to see user friendly software on a car in our lifetime?
I think I will in my lifetime, not sure about yours.

I just think that incidents like the VW thing, and also things like hackers controlling vehicles remotely, prove that we can't trust proprietary software to do things right. I think as more things happen, the public will finally catch on and push for more open systems, especially ones that we depend on to keep us alive.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:00 pm to
I drove all through there, it is amazingly cool. That pork place with hurt pig logo was slammed.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:01 pm to
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The list of reasons to drive a vehicle is pretty short:


I find it funny that some of the people complaining about the "driving experience" are the guys that own older trucks and SUVs. If you are upset about the feedback on new sports cars, I'll allow it, but don't decide that you're all bummed out about the experience now when you never had a good one in the first place.

Let's be honest, the feedback of the steering and throttle on your minivan is irrelevant.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:05 pm to
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drove all through there, it is amazingly cool.
the eye candy... The eye candy..


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That pork place with hurt pig logo was slammed.



Peg leg. Yep it's definitely the trendy BBQ place these days
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38927 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:10 pm to
Well let's be honest, because people don't give a shite about responsive handling is one of the reasons SUVs are so popular.

fricking heartbreaking that even companies like BMW bow to this trend since it's not even a stat that people judge vehicles by. No one gives a shite what it feels like anymore. It's just unbelievable. I'm keeping my hydraulic steering, non-turbo, manual transmission 5 series forever. If it ever gets wrecked I'll be a sobbing baby, it's literally irreplaceable.
Posted by Tigeralum2008
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Member since Apr 2012
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:11 pm to
What I have found is that with every newer generation vehicle, simple maintenance tasks have been made unnecessarily difficult to perform on your own.

Changing the oil filter in my wife's car forced me to buy a 32mm socket, universal joint, and an 8" drive extender.

Don't get me wrong, I love adding items to my toolbox however I couldn't help but feel the placement and design was meant to shoo customers into dealership maintenance departments.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 1:14 pm
Posted by CAD703X
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:12 pm to
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keeping my hydraulic steering, non-turbo, manual transmission 5 series forever.
fistbump
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:15 pm to
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Well let's be honest, because people don't give a shite about responsive handling is one of the reasons SUVs are so popular.
I think they are popular because people give more of a shite about things that matter, like utility and getting your family from point A to point B safely. And we drive on roads, not racetracks. Also I wouldn't trust most drivers to drive vehicles more "manually".
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fricking heartbreaking that even companies like BMW bow to this trend since it's not even a stat that people judge vehicles by. No one gives a shite what it feels like anymore. It's just unbelievable. I'm keeping my hydraulic steering, non-turbo, manual transmission 5 series forever. If it ever gets wrecked I'll be a sobbing baby, it's literally irreplaceable.
Eh, there will always be somebody selling cars that drive like you want. Just might be more expensive in the future than you're used to.
Posted by bigrob385series
B. Aura
Member since May 2014
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:15 pm to
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and last longer than older cars?
so tell me doc brown....how will they hold up?
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:16 pm to
I'd rather this "fake" code with better mpg than improved emissions while idling
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77940 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:17 pm to
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Changing the oil filter in my wife's car forced me to by a 32mm socket, universal joint, and an 8" drive extender.
yep ridiculous. Car manufacturers want to sell you movie theater popcorn at the dealer and the more specialized tools and proprietary software they install the happier the dealers are. The goal is to increase the hassle factor to the degree most people throw up their hands and turn over their car maintenance (and wallets) to the dealership.

I am a DIYer by nature and like to know what's going on "under the hood" :rimshot2:

Every red blooded American male should be able to do simple appliance, vehicle, plumbing and electrical repairs. Who wants to always be at the mercy of experts every time a heating element goes out or a light switch needs swapped?
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 1:21 pm
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:19 pm to
What about driver diagnostics that monitor vitals to make sure drivers don't fall asleep at the wheel etc?

interactive heads up displays (touch) aren't out of the question either.
Posted by Gaston
Dirty Coast
Member since Aug 2008
38927 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:19 pm to
I'll literally never understand how a vehicle with a higher ride height and more weight is safer than one lower to the ground.
Posted by Hammertime
Will trade dowsing rod for titties
Member since Jan 2012
43030 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:20 pm to
Spend $3-10k on a good diagnostic tool, and everything magically becomes easy
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84607 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:21 pm to
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fricking heartbreaking that even companies like BMW bow to this trend since it's not even a stat that people judge vehicles by. No one gives a shite what it feels like anymore. It's just unbelievable. I'm keeping my hydraulic steering, non-turbo, manual transmission 5 series forever. If it ever gets wrecked I'll be a sobbing baby, it's literally irreplaceable.


On a car that is known for its "driving experience", I get it.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
77940 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:21 pm to
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Spend $3-10k on a good diagnostic tool, and everything magically becomes easy
dealer diagnostic code output $100+

AutoZone parking lot diagnostic code output FREE
Posted by Korkstand
Member since Nov 2003
28703 posts
Posted on 7/26/16 at 1:22 pm to
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so tell me doc brown....how will they hold up?
We don't need a time machine to know the answer. The trend is vehicles last longer and longer. Better manufacturing processes, tighter achievable tolerances, decades of research of various common problems, better alloys, etc. All of these add up to better reliability and longevity.
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