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Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:01 am to yellowfin
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I hope CadesCove is still alive
home safe and sound. but sounds like he had a horrible night. spent the night in car and walked 3 miles up the mountain to get home.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:11 am to AZTiger7072
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I don't get it... I grew up in Colorado where road conditions get far worse than this... Why can't these people handle the road conditions? I know that these states don't have the equipment that Colorado does... But there were many times when the roads were this bad and I never saw anything like this. Is it simply that y'all don't know how to drive in these conditions?
Many people in CO have vehicles that can handle icy conditions in addition to having more experience.
I've got a RWD car that I don't put snow tires on in winter, that is usually parked from Nov. to April. I put studded snow tires on the other vehicle.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
My Subaru cock slapped the icy roads
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:14 am to TreyAnastasio
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Those pictures make me feel less bad for people who were stuck. It was an inch of snow. Good lord.
You're an idiot.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:14 am to TreyAnastasio
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There has been a 2 inch thick layer of ice on all the roads here for the last 2 weeks. We do just fine.
you're such a liar
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:14 am to Sevendust912
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Chains are illegal
Hopefully my ignorance illustrates my point about the South not being equipped for these conditions, hence the chaos.
I didn't laugh at "Superstorm Sandy", so I don't see the need to belittle "Leon".
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:18 am to Prominentwon
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you're such a liar
I wish I was. Its been too cold for salt, so the snow just gets compacted down into ice. Im about to run home and grab my phone. Ill take a picture of my street and post it.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:19 am to blzr
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You're an idiot.
I dont panic when it snows and freezes at the same time.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:20 am to slackster
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Hopefully my ignorance illustrates my point about the South not being equipped for these conditions, hence the chaos.
I didn't laugh at "Superstorm Sandy", so I don't see the need to belittle "Leon".
I hope you all make it out ok
Up here in the mid-atlantic, half the people are fine with the snow, but the other half don't know what the frick to do. We do have good infrastructure to deal with it tho.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:22 am to Prominentwon
I walked home from Spain Park to Alabaster. About 19 miles, took me right at 5 hours.
This is stupid.
This is stupid.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:26 am to TreyAnastasio
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, so the snow just gets compacted down into ice
Compacted snow is pretty easy to drive on, particularly if it's below 28 degrees.
Biggest problem is the plows basically polish the surface but if it's cold enough, it's a snap to drive on.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:31 am to TreyAnastasio
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so the snow just gets compacted down into ice.
Compacted snow =/= ice.
Compacted snow is relatively easy to drive on. Actual ice, from freezing rain, is virtually impossible to drive on in a safe manner.
ETA: Here in central SC we got about 2.5"-3" of snow, and about all of that is compacted down on all the major roads. My front wheel drive VW got the 18 miles to work this morning just fine. About 5 years ago I got caught in some freezing rain while in Portland, Maine, for work. My 4-wheel drive Jeep - with winter tires - couldn't get out of the hotel parking lot.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 11:35 am
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:37 am to TreyAnastasio
Yeah, it really isn't about about the snow and ice to me. It's the people who fricking panic at the first sign of loss of traction and slam on the breaks. The people who think they can make 90 degree turn like it is summer time. It's like everyone turns into an 80 year old cripple who can't see past the dashboard.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:41 am to brucevilanch
Its true that the deep south isn't equipped to deal with snow/ice buts equally true that the people there don't know how to drive on it. I don't know why people are butt hurt over this.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:45 am to RogerTheShrubber
I can answer a few questions in here. I worked for the DOT in Alabama and all of my family still live there.
For salt trucks, ALDOT is the only ones that have true salt trucks, although few compared to miles of roads, and they are mainly stationed in Huntsville and Montgomery (HQ). Yesterdays forecast was dusting in Birmingham and 2-4" in South Alabama. ALDOT moved most salt trucks down south to prepare. Front end loaders can still spread salt/sand but they are very inefficient and slow. Even when salt/sand is applied, its not an instant cure for snow and ice.
Because of the forecasted dusting of snow, most businesses and schools scheduled to close at noon yesterday... right when the snow began to stick. Like said earlier, roads iced up within an hour. Birmingham metro area has a lot of elevation changes so many people were forced to abandon their vehicles. 90% of the people I know that got stuck were either getting off work (half day) or picking up their children from school.
I had family members that had to spend the night with strangers last night. The ones that tried to get home, took 6 hours to go 25 miles with combination of driving and walking. Several buses were taking children home when the storm hit and when it did, the buses went to nearest schools to shelter in place until possibly tomorrow. Some parents arent exactly sure where their child is at.
As for the burning car, this is common. Its the reason you use anti-freeze in car's cooling system and not pure water. Water freezes in the engine and components. Ice blocks the cooling and the engine can warm faster than the ice block melts. The engine over heats and eventually something catches fire. Once an engine is on fire its easy for the entire car to engulf quickly.
For salt trucks, ALDOT is the only ones that have true salt trucks, although few compared to miles of roads, and they are mainly stationed in Huntsville and Montgomery (HQ). Yesterdays forecast was dusting in Birmingham and 2-4" in South Alabama. ALDOT moved most salt trucks down south to prepare. Front end loaders can still spread salt/sand but they are very inefficient and slow. Even when salt/sand is applied, its not an instant cure for snow and ice.
Because of the forecasted dusting of snow, most businesses and schools scheduled to close at noon yesterday... right when the snow began to stick. Like said earlier, roads iced up within an hour. Birmingham metro area has a lot of elevation changes so many people were forced to abandon their vehicles. 90% of the people I know that got stuck were either getting off work (half day) or picking up their children from school.
I had family members that had to spend the night with strangers last night. The ones that tried to get home, took 6 hours to go 25 miles with combination of driving and walking. Several buses were taking children home when the storm hit and when it did, the buses went to nearest schools to shelter in place until possibly tomorrow. Some parents arent exactly sure where their child is at.
As for the burning car, this is common. Its the reason you use anti-freeze in car's cooling system and not pure water. Water freezes in the engine and components. Ice blocks the cooling and the engine can warm faster than the ice block melts. The engine over heats and eventually something catches fire. Once an engine is on fire its easy for the entire car to engulf quickly.
This post was edited on 1/29/14 at 11:47 am
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:46 am to East Coast Band
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also to answer "how? "
this snow came very quickly. at 10:00 the roads were dry. Within an hour, many roads became impassable.
seriously, how could you get what few salt trucks you have out?
Add to the fact that every school and business closed at the same time.
Add to the fact Birmingham has a lot of steep hills.
even though it wasn't nearly as bad in br/nola area everything shut down as the weather was forecasted , by the time it came through schools and businesses were closed and most people listened and stayed inside .....
it seems to me that the elected officials failed the people in the bama/Georgia areas that we are seeing all these messed up stories from....
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:47 am to Sevendust912
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Chains are illegal
Except when they are mandatory.
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:51 am to AutoYes_Clown
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Because of the forecasted dusting of snow, most businesses and schools scheduled to close at noon yesterday
they should have cancelled school...
a lot of people around here was saying how everyone was overreacting but at least no one was stuck out on the roads...
Posted on 1/29/14 at 11:54 am to AZTiger7072
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I don't get it... I grew up in Colorado where road conditions get far worse than this... Why can't these people handle the road conditions? I know that these states don't have the equipment that Colorado does... But there were many times when the roads were this bad and I never saw anything like this. Is it simply that y'all don't know how to drive in these conditions?
This is what the 280 corridor going into Bham looks like on a average day:
97k cars a day travel that part of the road on average. Throw in the fact it's hilly/mountainous terrain. Just takes a handfull of idiots out of 97k people to clusterfrick the whole area.
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