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re: What schools would ST. George affect?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:25 pm to Sir Drinksalot
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:25 pm to Sir Drinksalot
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Why NOT give SG a chance?
Because it's obvious they're going to raise taxes.
There's other reasons, but taxes should be enough.
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Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:25 pm to Asgard Device
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Why do people think government is responsible for fixing cultures that produce shitty students?
For the most part, a school is only as good as it's students. All you can do is move them around or have a more selective enrollment.
So either sacrifice my child's education for the betterment of society or move away? Got it. You have no solution.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:27 pm to Asgard Device
I'm willing to pay if it means a better place for our youth.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:28 pm to Sir Drinksalot
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In your opinion, what IS the solution to our public school problem?
Elect better people to the school board and metro council.
I don't think we have to save a village by burning it down.
Property owners in SG are short sighted if they think their city will remain the safe haven they think it will be if their biggest neighbor turns into Detroit.
Anyway, even if SG becomes its own city, it still would take a constitutional amendment passed by 2/3 of the legislature and then passed in a statewide referendum to set up a new school district.
I realize Bodi White claims it only takes a majority vote of the legislature and no statewide vote to create a new district, but the new school districts in Zachary, Central and Baker all needed a constitutional amendment passed.
There was an in depth article last week in Nola.com on that issue and the conclusion was a new SG school district would require an amendment.
Wouldn't it be ironic (and sad) if a new city is established yet the main reason its organizers wanted it, to get a new school system, never happens?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:29 pm to johnnyrocket
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I sat at a BR Chamber meeting in Iberville Parish listening about how BR does not need a loop. They said we have the right of way to connect I-10 to 3125 which will send that traffic to New Orleans.
I wonder how that would work in their perfect little plan haha?
It almost seems that the loop idea is too far gone to ever happen, but I refuse to believe that with the current bridges and roads in place, that something could be retrofitted to create a makeshift bypass.
Maybe an established St George community would bring more businesses to the area south of BTR and fuel that growth.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:33 pm to LSURussian
The whole thing is sad and pathetic. It's ridiculous that things have gotten this bad.
Do you feel SG will "burn the city down" and turn br into new Detroit? Why?
Do you feel SG will "burn the city down" and turn br into new Detroit? Why?
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 5:36 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:38 pm to LSURussian
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Kenilworth Middle being an RSD facility
It's not.
You sure about that? It wouldn't be the first time The Advocate was incorrect.
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Pelican Educational Foundation won the charter to take over Kenilworth Middle School in 2009 and renamed it Kenilworth Science and Technology Charter School. The charter was authorized by the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education to take over Kenilworth Middle School after years of academic and other problems.
Last Thursday, the state Board of Elementary and Secondary Education agreed to renew the charter for five more years, extending the school’s charter through 2019.
That news came on the heels of performance scores released in October that showed Kenilworth was among just five schools in East Baton Rouge Parish that improved by more than one grade level since last year.
Kenilworth, the only charter school in Baton Rouge overseen by the Recovery School District, jumped from an F last year to a C grade this year.
It also still doesn't change the fact that students in southwest EBR parish have to pass two middle schools on their way to mid city .
If St. George is willing to pay for new schools, they could alleviate these problems.
IMO, the best scenario would be for a special school district to be created without incorporating St. George.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 5:40 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:43 pm to dewster
I stand corrected. I thought the EBR school board made KMS into a parish run charter school. Thanks for the info.
But students in the neighborhood are eligible to attend that school. The website for the school says "traditional" students also attend KMS. It's not just for kids interested in science and technology.
Eta: Btw, the school's website says nothing about it being a RSD school.
But students in the neighborhood are eligible to attend that school. The website for the school says "traditional" students also attend KMS. It's not just for kids interested in science and technology.
Eta: Btw, the school's website says nothing about it being a RSD school.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 5:45 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:45 pm to LSURussian
Elect better council members? What about a solution in the current decade?
The fear mongering is strong with this one.
Just because BR proper is trending toward Detroit doesn't mean the surrounding area they're leeching from has to too.
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I don't think we have to save a village by burning it down.
Property owners in SG are short sighted if they think their city will remain the safe haven they think it will be if their biggest neighbor turns into Detroit.
The fear mongering is strong with this one.
Just because BR proper is trending toward Detroit doesn't mean the surrounding area they're leeching from has to too.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:49 pm to LSURussian
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Btw, the school's website says nothing about it being a RSD school.
It's denoted as an RSD school on the zoning maps as well. I'm guessing they inherited the "science and technology" brand from the old school?
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I stand corrected. I thought the EBR school board made KMS into a parish run charter school. Thanks for the info.
But students in the neighborhood are eligible to attend that school. The website for the school says "traditional" students also attend KMS. It's not just for kids interested in science and technology.
They may be eligible to attend...but would you send your child to an RSD facility? The next nearest school is Glasgow but that would make too much sense. I don't understand why they'd zone the southwest portion of the parish to a school in mid city and then zone old south Baton Rouge north of LSU (minutes from Westdale) to Glasgow and Kenilworth.
That's a long, long way on a school bus in Baton Rouge traffic...especially if transfers are required. A new middle school is needed somewhere around Siegen/Perkins, IMO. It has been needed for while.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 5:52 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:53 pm to Huck Finn
You're being immature. It's become a pattern any time proponents of SG post in a thread. They can't respond with facts so they resort to emotional statements.
Do this: compare the budgets of BR and a proposed SG city on a per capita basis. What do you learn?
Do this: compare the budgets of BR and a proposed SG city on a per capita basis. What do you learn?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:56 pm to LSURussian
That one is hypothetical for a hypothetical city? Is your insistence that SG will have to raise taxes based on your assumption that the mall and Perkins Rowe will be annexed? You speak in certainties when a lot is still up in the air.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 5:59 pm to Huck Finn
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Just because BR proper is trending toward Detroit doesn't mean the surrounding area they're leeching from has to too.
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I don't think we have to save a village by burning it down.
Baton Rouge has solid magnet schools, a growing downtown, a significant number of higher education and state jobs, increasing research activity, oil and gas jobs, more hospitality and convention infrastructure, relatively low taxes (for now), a good private school network, and a decent mayor/president (IMO). I don't think the fear mongering is really justified here. It's not turning into Detroit anytime soon.
The problem with this entire region is that these governments are often sales tax dependent. That's one of the reasons they bend over and let developers build whatever half-baked big box development they want. If nothing is done to keep the tax base in the parish, what's left of that retail activity after e-commerce kills some of it will move out to Ascension and Livingston.....and so will the people that want decent public schools.
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Elect better council members? What about a solution in the current decade?
This is an indictment of the public schools in East Baton Rouge, not the council leadership....there's not much hope on the school board.
The incorporation effort is in response to two failed attempts to create a special school district without incorporating. It's plan C.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 6:09 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:04 pm to Huck Finn
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That one is hypothetical for a hypothetical city?
A budget for a new SG city has been released by Bodi White and Lionel Rainey. It's THEIR budget.
Use their numbers and convert the budget to a per capita basis and compare it to the BR budget on a per capita basis.
Wouldn't that comparison at least provide a basis for analyzing the feasibility of the organizers' claim that the city has all the revenue it needs?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:05 pm to dewster
Okay.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:10 pm to dewster
I am guessing that Kip told the council to stfu with their dumbass comments.
If I were him I would get together with the BR chamber and start working on incorporating places like the Mall and Casino.
The deal would be that taxes won't increase as much. They'd have to get tax abatement for CATS for at least some duration of time.
Mall of La has to know sales and property taxes will go up more in St George.
I think the BRPD will need to take a hair cut.
If I were him I would get together with the BR chamber and start working on incorporating places like the Mall and Casino.
The deal would be that taxes won't increase as much. They'd have to get tax abatement for CATS for at least some duration of time.
Mall of La has to know sales and property taxes will go up more in St George.
I think the BRPD will need to take a hair cut.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:15 pm to LSURussian
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A budget for a new SG city has been released by Bodi White and Lionel Rainey. It's THEIR budget.
Their budget wasn't truthful.
I heard that after Lionel Rainey started campaigning for a new city he decided to start a consulting business and somebody in the legislature helped him land a $700k contract with the state. Any truth to that?
They may have been lying about incorporating making it only require a simple majority vote to get a school district.
Shady.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 6:34 pm to Asgard Device
You do understand what becomes of this staunch defense of the status quo, yes? These families with "I'm in" signs out front continue to move out of parish (or state) and Shenandoah continues to age/decline very quickly.
All because some people are worried the mall's $$$ will leave and they might have have to shrink their stupid budget, and look like fools if the shackles were cut from SG.
All because some people are worried the mall's $$$ will leave and they might have have to shrink their stupid budget, and look like fools if the shackles were cut from SG.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 7:16 pm to Huck Finn
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You do understand what becomes of this staunch defense of the status quo, yes? These families with "I'm in" signs out front continue to move out of parish (or state) and Shenandoah continues to age/decline very quickly. All because some people are worried the mall's $$$ will leave and they might have have to shrink their stupid budget, and look like fools if the shackles were cut from SG.
Your responses are purely emotional and offer zero substance. Do you even read the criticisms and rebuttals to some of the untruths that your leaders are spouting? Did you even acknowledge my concerns about Bodi White and Lionel Rainey III?
You need a good logical reason to raise taxes. All you've got are emotionally driven reactions and "why not?"
I'm not sure Bodi and Lionel are being honest in saying that incorporating helps get the school system through the legislature. If it still requires a constitutional amendment then I think you still need 2/3rds vote in the legislature and a statewide vote to form a new school system.
Just trying to be realistic, here.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 7:19 pm to LSURussian
Sorry for the long post...
I am a resident of St. George, and I have 3 small children. I am middle class and I make a average/good income. I love the city of Baton Rouge and would like to stay here forever. I would like for the St. George detractors to answer the following questions:
1. Why can't the city of BR afford to balance it's budget without the assistance from the unincorporated portions of the parish?
2. Would you not agree that it is unfair for the unincorporated portions of the parish to contribute tax revenue to the city of BR without the return of city services?
3. How in the hell can you possible defend the EBR parish school system?? Would you (or have you) send your own children to EBR schools?
4. Do you defend the actions of Delgado when he vows to sue to stop the incorporation of St. George? Do you not think that citizens have the right to form their own city under lawful methods?
5. Do you think that the formation of St. George and the independent school district would help keep middle class families like mine in EBR? If so, is this not good for the city of BR and the parish whole?
6. Why do you discount/ignore the published city budget that St. George leaders have submitted? Did you see that there is a $20MM annual surplus? Why would you think that schools could not be built and taxes would go up? Is there a fundamental flaw with their proposed budget?
7. When deciding on new office locations (such as IBM), do you think that business leaders consider the "public school option" when trying to attract employees to a new region?
8. Specifically, what do you think would be the negative impacts to the city of BR?
I am a resident of St. George, and I have 3 small children. I am middle class and I make a average/good income. I love the city of Baton Rouge and would like to stay here forever. I would like for the St. George detractors to answer the following questions:
1. Why can't the city of BR afford to balance it's budget without the assistance from the unincorporated portions of the parish?
2. Would you not agree that it is unfair for the unincorporated portions of the parish to contribute tax revenue to the city of BR without the return of city services?
3. How in the hell can you possible defend the EBR parish school system?? Would you (or have you) send your own children to EBR schools?
4. Do you defend the actions of Delgado when he vows to sue to stop the incorporation of St. George? Do you not think that citizens have the right to form their own city under lawful methods?
5. Do you think that the formation of St. George and the independent school district would help keep middle class families like mine in EBR? If so, is this not good for the city of BR and the parish whole?
6. Why do you discount/ignore the published city budget that St. George leaders have submitted? Did you see that there is a $20MM annual surplus? Why would you think that schools could not be built and taxes would go up? Is there a fundamental flaw with their proposed budget?
7. When deciding on new office locations (such as IBM), do you think that business leaders consider the "public school option" when trying to attract employees to a new region?
8. Specifically, what do you think would be the negative impacts to the city of BR?
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