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re: What schools would ST. George affect?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 9:42 pm to Asgard Device
Posted on 1/1/14 at 9:42 pm to Asgard Device
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For the most part, a school is only as good as it's students. All you can do is move them around or have a more selective enrollment.
I tend to agree with this.
If all the middle-class people in St. George who plan on switching their kids from private to public school when St. George becomes a district would just do that now, the performance of schools in that area would improve sognificantly by virtue of demographics alone.
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Posted on 1/1/14 at 9:45 pm to Asgard Device
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It's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about or how the EBR city-parish government works.
You're right, I'm stupid. Please inform me O great one. You can start by answering my questions at the bottom of page 6. I'll wait....
Posted on 1/1/14 at 9:45 pm to Huck Finn
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Not to mention the school discrepancy I mentioned three times to no response (11 in BR proper to the 1 in the unincorporated area ).
That probably has to with how many people on the unincorporated area are sending their kids to public schools. If one high school adequately covers those kids, then why is it "neglect" to only have one.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:19 pm to urinetrouble
I think you're backwards on the cause and effect there. Bus my kids to dufrocq or pay for Parkview? I'll write the check.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:22 pm to Huck Finn
If you live in SG, your kids are not being bussed to Dufrocq Elementary.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:30 pm to LSURussian
Actually yes. Right off O'Neal lane. Either way, Tara was the better example for that particular argument. Some close friends were threatened with dufrocq, so that's what popped into my head first .
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:30 pm to Cantstandya
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1. Why can't the city of BR afford to balance it's budget without the assistance from the unincorporated portions of the parish?
Economies of scale. Lack of checks and balances will throw both governments off. Both cities will have unfettered power held by people of the same political affiliation.
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2. Would you not agree that it is unfair for the unincorporated portions of the parish to contribute tax revenue to the city of BR without the return of city services?
I would agree if it were true. Costs for police protection are spread across the whole parish and based on how much your property is worth and how much in sales taxes you pay. Unincorporated areas receive just as adequate police service as incorporated areas and yet people within the city limits pay extra. People in the city limits also pay for EBRSO services that they do not receive (as well as EBRSO services that they do receive) and some unincorporated areas receive BRPD services that they don't pay the extra BRPD tax for.
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3. How in the hell can you possible defend the EBR parish school system?? Would you (or have you) send your own children to EBR schools?
Forming a new city is separate from forming a new school system. I'm very much against forming a new city but only mildly against a new school system. I'd like for them to not bus students around, but I'm not sure if they still do that. I personally think EBR just has bad students. I don't blame the government for the failure of every majority black inner city school system in America. Central and Zachary do nothing different. They have better students.
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4. Do you defend the actions of Delgado when he vows to sue to stop the incorporation of St. George? Do you not think that citizens have the right to form their own city under lawful methods?
Of course. I also have the right to an opinion about (mis)information and a political power grab that will only server to increase my taxes. I don't need an extra police chief.
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5. Do you think that the formation of St. George and the independent school district would help keep middle class families like mine in EBR? If so, is this not good for the city of BR and the parish whole?
There's no evidence to show that anything would be technically better, but I suspect it may have a self-fulfilling prophecy effect. If people believe that a magic wand was waived and the schools were fixed then they will start to send their children to public schools and the schools will improve as the amount of students with caring parents increases.
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6. Why do you discount/ignore the published city budget that St. George leaders have submitted? Did you see that there is a $20MM annual surplus? Why would you think that schools could not be built and taxes would go up? Is there a fundamental flaw with their proposed budget?
Yes, I'm not sure where to begin with the budget that Bodi White and Lionel Rainey put forth. It is not a realistic budget. It's amazing that Lionel Rainey, a salesman, started a consulting business last year and immediately landed a $717k contract with the state. I'm very distrustful of politicians (of any political party) and prefer governments that are on the up-and-up. I fear that this new government will be largely managed through nebulous contracts and that taxes will go up. Some of us paid attention to what they did in Central. Honestly, I think Kip deserves some credit for being a good city manager and working with what he had. Ironically, he's done more for the St. George area than any other mayor has before.
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7. When deciding on new office locations (such as IBM), do you think that business leaders consider the "public school option" when trying to attract employees to a new region?
IBM is relocating people from Austin to Baton Rouge so obviously the school systems aren't a factor although no PR campaign is going to say that.
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8. Specifically, what do you think would be the negative impacts to the city of BR?
Unfettered Southern Democrat control. Rational, competent folks like Kip will be run out of town and replaced by people like C. Denise Marcelle and Dee Dee Slaughter.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:31 pm to Asgard Device
Oh my word, another one.
The city wouldn't pay for schools. That would come from a school board budget, totally separate. Police and fire protection already is paid. The sheriff covers our area for police and then there is the st George fire district for fire. That wouldn't change and since it's already paid, it's not in the budget.
So you understand. The items you listed are coming from more than one pot of money.
There will be an allocation per student for the new city. The projections for that pot show a surplus with plenty for bonding new schools.
The new police department will probably include all of five people as required by law. The sheriff will continue to cover us as they do central.
The new city government will be funded per the proposed budget.
Before you start talking about people being gamed you should understand what you are talking about.
Oh and
at you too, playa.
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Not unless you still want to defer to the City-Parish government for schools and police protection.. and even then that's a stretch. It's kind of disturbing that these people will be entrusted with handling budget matters, especially given how nebulous the spending will be. Say what you want about BR and the clowns that occupy the council, but Kip Holden has been a great budget administrator and Baton Rouge has the highest credit rating of any municipality in the state.
The city wouldn't pay for schools. That would come from a school board budget, totally separate. Police and fire protection already is paid. The sheriff covers our area for police and then there is the st George fire district for fire. That wouldn't change and since it's already paid, it's not in the budget.
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Right. Let me get this straight. You think you're going to get a new school system, a new city government, and a new police department all without having to pay more? Sounds totally realistic. It doesn't bother you at all that you're already being lied to and gamed?
So you understand. The items you listed are coming from more than one pot of money.
There will be an allocation per student for the new city. The projections for that pot show a surplus with plenty for bonding new schools.
The new police department will probably include all of five people as required by law. The sheriff will continue to cover us as they do central.
The new city government will be funded per the proposed budget.
Before you start talking about people being gamed you should understand what you are talking about.
Oh and
at you too, playa. This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 10:42 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:40 pm to LSURussian
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I'm not going to waste my time teaching you something as basic as legacy costs when there is any kind of organizational split up. I stopped reading your post right there. It's obvious you're clueless when it comes to finances.
From what I've read there isn't much you can teach me. Go ahead and read the rest of my post and you may learn something about finances.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:41 pm to LT
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since it's already paid, it's not in the budget.
Lol wut?
No, really....what?
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:42 pm to LT
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Go ahead and read the rest of my post and you may learn something about finances.
I did. I didn't.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:43 pm to LT
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Police and fire protection already is paid. The sheriff covers our area for police and then there is the st George fire district for fire. That wouldn't change and since it's already paid, it's not in the budget.
Okay. I'm referring to the people that are citing BRPD as a reason to form a new city. They keep claiming they are paying for services that they aren't using and yet are going to keep on doing the same thing once they create a new city + add additional duplication of services by having your own Boss Hogg police chief. Perplexing.
The only way to break away from the EBRSO/BRPD funding mechanism is to have your own police department to completely replace the EBRSO. You need your prison, constables, and possibly even a court system. It's incredibly naive to think that it wouldn't require extra taxes in order to accomplish this.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 10:54 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:43 pm to LSURussian
What don't you understand?
The sheriff is paid through another budget. They serve the area in question.
How is this concept so fricking hard for you!
The sheriff is paid through another budget. They serve the area in question.
How is this concept so fricking hard for you!
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:49 pm to LSURussian
IMO, EBRSO will pull services from an incorporated municipality that large. If Sid doesn't, eventually some sheriff will. Pretending that St. George would never be forced into funding its own police department is ridiculous.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:54 pm to Asgard Device
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Okay. I'm referring to the people that are citing BRPD as a reason to form a new city. They keep claiming they are paying for services that they aren't using and yet are going to keep on doing the same thing once they create a new city + add additional duplication of services. Perplexing.
Technically, because of the fungible nature of money. Some of st George tax dollars could end up paying brpd costs through the parish budget. And vice versa. However, forming a city would cut the one way flow of our money to BR significantly. We put in a much larger chunk than br.
And brpd will not do anything in the unincorporated area. Ask the people living on south park who's house backs up to a police station and have to wait for sheriffs from kleinpeter when their houses are robbed. This has been documented in local news for years.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:55 pm to LT
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The sheriff is paid through another budget. They serve the area in question.
How is this concept so fricking hard for you!
Much of the Sheriff's budget comes out of the BR general fund. The new city will need to make the same provisions in their budget.
This post was edited on 1/1/14 at 10:57 pm
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:56 pm to LT
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The sheriff is paid through another budget
Could you please link to that mystery budget? I'd really like to see it. None of the organizational meetings held by the incorporation leaders has mentioned other expenses much less disclosed what those expenses are.
The budget I provided a link for earlier in this thread is the "official" budget for the proposed city.
quote:Never mind. You're too juvenile to try and discuss anything with seriously. But your anger proves to me you know you can't support your claims so you try to bluff your way with a tough guy act.
How is this concept so fricking hard for you!
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:57 pm to Huey Lewis
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IMO, EBRSO will pull services from an incorporated municipality that large. If Sid doesn't, eventually some sheriff will. Pretending that St. George would never be forced into funding its own police department is ridiculous.
Sid gonna shut the sherif down? Where is he going to patrol? Central and Zachary only?
Sid has already made it clear st George imcorporating won't change anything.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:59 pm to LT
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However, forming a city would cut the one way flow of our money to BR significantly. We put in a much larger chunk than br.
The last sentence is not even close to being true. You're starting to lose all credibility.
Posted on 1/1/14 at 10:59 pm to LSURussian
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