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re: What makes you a science denier?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:35 am to RogerTheShrubber
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Life will change, people will adapt.
Or die out. Ultimately I don't really have any firm opinions on the science of it, but one good way to make sure that we don't survive it is to hide our heads in the sand and pretend that nothing is happening.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:37 am to ManBearTiger
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reality is we have lost a ton of history that would radically change our history and science books.
much of what we take as 100% fact in history and science is based on conjecture and faith, not hard facts, a lot like religion.
for someone to believe he or she knows enough history and science to 100% disprove God, is a foolish arrogant notion.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:42 am to Peazey
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Or die out.
Exactly how warm are you afraid the earth will become?
The late Cretaceous period was much warmer than present and saw an increase in life.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 12:47 am to hawgfaninc
Has an open minded atheist ever said, "I've looked at the data and determined God created the world in six days"?
Has a hard core Bible lover ever looked at the science and decided, "evolution is the real deal. Hard to swallow but I must admit it's true."?
Rarely if ever. People examine data and science to find what they want and discount the rest for whatever reason they can dream up.
I know where I stand, but I won't bother trying to persuade morons on the issue. I don't really care what they believe. We'll all be dead soon enough, and it won't matter.
Has a hard core Bible lover ever looked at the science and decided, "evolution is the real deal. Hard to swallow but I must admit it's true."?
Rarely if ever. People examine data and science to find what they want and discount the rest for whatever reason they can dream up.
I know where I stand, but I won't bother trying to persuade morons on the issue. I don't really care what they believe. We'll all be dead soon enough, and it won't matter.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:01 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The late Cretaceous period was much warmer than present and saw an increase in life.
An increase of life means all the same species survived from the middle cretaceous and multiplied or they were replaced by species that were better suited for a warmer climate and those thrived even better than their predecessors? You keep using this catch all "life" thrives like it means that all current species could thrive under a different environment. Again, no one is saying that we are at risk of killing off all animals and life on the planet. Other life could thrive. After a catastrophe.
All it takes is a slight change in seasons and it becomes more difficult to cultivate the current crops that billions of people rely on. These are not easy things to replace. The main ones we currently rely on were domesticated thousands of years ago. Repeating myself again, I'm not saying that I think this is an imminent threat. I don't know. But it is simple arrogance to not recognize how fragile our little niche in this world actually is.
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Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:06 am to Peazey
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All it takes is a slight change in seasons and it becomes more difficult to cultivate the current crops that billions of people rely on.
It appears to me an increase in growing season could be a very good thing. You may see people migrate from equatorial regions to the north and south. I'm fairly sure there will be changes in patterns of life, but I feel the doomsday prophets are nothing but fear mongers.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:09 am to RogerTheShrubber
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It appears to me an increase in growing season could be a very good thing. You may see people migrate from equatorial regions to the north and south.
solving world hunger
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:13 am to RogerTheShrubber
All I'm saying is that it is something worth paying attention to. Dooms dayers and whole sale deniers who try to say that there's no way we are affecting our environment are probably equal portion close minded fools and probably more a product of polarizing mainstream politics than actual reality.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 1:15 am to Peazey
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All I'm saying is that it is something worth paying attention to
I'm sure. Before life reaches a critical point I'm positive science will have an answer to it. In the meantime, opening up the Arctic to economic opportunities sounds like a positive to me.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:15 am to REG861
quote:Not true. Educate yourself.
No, just cognizant of the fact that organized religion has impeded scientific progress for centuries.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:21 am to Peazey
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We know the universe had a beginning
quote:We don't?
No we don't.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:33 am to JazzyJeff
No, we don't. Does the layman really think that such things have been accepted as fact? All existence theories have been solved? Everyone agrees on it? Come on. Even if the leading theory of the Big Bang Theory is accurate do you think we know everything about it?
Here's an article about a model that gives a different nuance to the big bang theory that says the universe is without beginning. There are many different ideas. Multiverse ideas, cyclical models, whatever, etc.
LINK
Here's an article about a model that gives a different nuance to the big bang theory that says the universe is without beginning. There are many different ideas. Multiverse ideas, cyclical models, whatever, etc.
LINK
Posted on 4/15/16 at 2:44 am to Peazey
That's interesting and it just goes to show no matter how settled the science is...it really isn't.
And let's be honest...some of what they say are just really super smart people pulling things out of their asses!
And let's be honest...some of what they say are just really super smart people pulling things out of their asses!
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:01 am to REG861
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Your ancestors were the dumbasses of years past who believed the universe was centered around the earth
While your ancestor lived in a mud hut made of his own poo?
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:19 am to ManBearTiger
It depends on what the "science" is. I'm always suspicious of who is funding a study, as it seems scientists are more prone now to interject bias and tweak the data on behalf of their donors to satisfy their best interests. At the end of the day, scientists are people that will act rationally and serve their best interests. There should be healthy skepticism in regards to scientific studies.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 7:39 am to AUbagman
As a scientist, it literally doesn't make any to believe in 'science'. It's a method, a collection of tools to get your point across. I get paid to write reports that even though I may totally believe in my premise, there's nothing substantially there to convince others. You go through the method, you lay out the rules, you let people know where the decision points are, you back up your assumptions, and you bring them to the trough. It's up to them to drink...its up to us to convince them it's the right trough and it's safe for them to do so. It all comes down to risk for people.
Believing in science is absurd. I mean if you don't trust Maxwells equations then you derive them for yourself...that's not belief, that understanding your tools.
ETA: I'm a difficult person to convince, as I hope most scientists are.
Believing in science is absurd. I mean if you don't trust Maxwells equations then you derive them for yourself...that's not belief, that understanding your tools.
ETA: I'm a difficult person to convince, as I hope most scientists are.
This post was edited on 4/15/16 at 7:44 am
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:10 am to airfernando
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Evolution and the big bang theory have more holes than the Titanic. Science believers can't buy that God could create the world out of nothing, but yet they can believe that life and rocks could erupt out of nothing with no help.
Yep, that's the $64 question: did intelligence develop from a random combination of raw materials (all existence) or did an intelligent entity set the process (think ultimate chemistry experiment) into motion? The truth is none of us know or ever will know assuming their is no enlightenment after death.
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One big problem with science is that it's created by man, who is extremely imperfect and always has a self serving agenda. Science has perpetually proved itself wrong.
This is actually a pretty profound statement. But the detractors will say that at least science is trying to further the understanding of the world in which we live. Translation: You don't fail until you quit trying in spite of numerous in route failures.
And for the record, I believe that evolution is pretty solid science but creation itself is definitely not aka the Big Bang Theory but I do consider it plausible given the fundamental forces of gravity and expansion due to heat. Evolution and any creation theory might well be fundament aspects of intelligent design.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:37 am to Peazey
It's universally accepted that the universe had a beginning. In fact many scientists thought the Catholic Church had their hand in the big bang theory because it proved there was a beginning. Something can't come from nothing unless one of the factors is eternal and it is universally accepted that the universe isn't eternal. Why is that so hard for some people to accept? There is something out there that created life and the universe. I choose to believe that something is God.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 8:55 am to Brazos
The Big Bang isn't the beginning per say, it's the event that set our universe's physical constants the way they are. Something collapsed, imperfectly, to create it.
There is no creator. Sorry, but that whole concept is bullshite...The Big Bang may not be the answer, but it sure as frick isn't a creator.
There is no creator. Sorry, but that whole concept is bullshite...The Big Bang may not be the answer, but it sure as frick isn't a creator.
Posted on 4/15/16 at 9:00 am to Peazey
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