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re: What is the end goal of the BLM movement?

Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:43 pm to
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15290 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:43 pm to
I am black

What BLM is supposed to do, is to show everyone that "our lives matter" just as much as everyone else. It is supposed to be about equality, limited unjustly killings, and for police to be held more accountable for their actions. BLM is not supposed to say white livea, or Blue livea dont matter. But rather we are vocusing on black livea at this point in time

That being said, we are not a unified people. So for soooooooo many folks, they act completely hypocritical to what I just said. You have some who truly want to see this world be a better place. But I feel like most just want to see this world burn.

It doesnt help that the so called "leaders" are sheep. They use 100% emotion and no logic. So you have a group of people following leaders blindly down the wrong path. The blind leading the blind if you will.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 3:00 pm
Posted by Wally Sparks
Atlanta
Member since Feb 2013
29148 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:48 pm to
Legalized discrimination/violence against white people.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84782 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:49 pm to
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What exactly is the systemic problem?


The story should be that 93 unarmed civilians were killed by the police this year. 990 people were killed in general. Their race is irrelevant, or at least it should be.

The original conversation was "the police are militarized and are killing an unacceptable amount of people with little to no repercussions." That was a legitimate gripe for all people. BLM came in and changed it to "the police are racists and it is open season on black people." The problem is that is false, and demonstrably false, so once moderate people realize that, they give up on the entire conversation. The police killings of all races are ignored as long as no race is overrepresented. It is incredibly frustrating, and it 100% falls at the feet of BLM.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8925 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:50 pm to
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So the group that was invited to have a float as special guests were a radical sect of the organization? If so, why hasn't the conservative side come out and denounced them? Why haven't the leaders made it clear that these "radical" arms aren't really a part of what BLM is?

Think about what you're saying.....


I assume you are a christian, do you as a christian denounce the radical religious groups that outwardly hate gays and commit all kinds of other immoral actions that you don't believe in?

The other thing you arent considering is that we are at the mercy of the media. the media is ratings driven, they arent gonna make a big effort to say that the BLM movement denounces this action or that action becuase its boring compared to the headlines that BLM STOPS GAY PRIDE PARADE. Maybe they have denounced it but it just hast gotten any press.

Idk, I am as skeptical as you about the motives, but to say why hasnt this part denounced that part isnt really that important in the big picture.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15290 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:51 pm to
There are many of us black people out here who are actually intelligient. Unfortunately we will always be overshadowed by the ignorants who make us look bad.

For example, I will be the first to admitt I made a mistake. At first, I was very upset about Mike Brown. It made my blood boil to see that an unarmed man was executed with his hands surrendering, and then the officer walk free...

Then I began to read and research. The more I did my reaearch into the case from real reputable sources. The more I began to see that this whole thing was a lie. The initial media reports were very false. I and every other black person in America was mad over a lie. I have no problem stating I was wrong, unfortunately, if I say this to other black folks then all of a sudden Im Uncle Tom.
Posted by elposter
Member since Dec 2010
24906 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:52 pm to
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In the 60's, they fought for equal opportunity, and rightfully so.

Today they are fighting for equal outcome, and that is absurd.



Yes, now that equal opportunity has been achieved the conversation has changed from equal opportunity to equal outcome. The new tagline is "equality doesn't mean equity." If you google equality and equity you will see hundreds of articles, slogans, organizations highlighting this new argument.

It is not enough to provide everyone with the same opportunity (equality), instead advocates believe that people should be given different benefits so that they can all achieve the same results. It is absurd.










I couldn't find the basketball one where the white kid gets to shoot on the shorter goal, but I'll keep looking.
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84782 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:53 pm to
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But rather we are vocusing on black livea at this point in time


With all due respect, this is asinine. Black on black crime is wholly irrelevant to unjustified police killings, but when you call yourself Black Lives Matter, you're going to rightfully be questioned about statistics like black on black crime. The name is absurd because in a literal sense it is patently false.
Posted by Goldrush25
San Diego, CA
Member since Oct 2012
33794 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:53 pm to
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So the group that was invited to have a float as special guests were a radical sect of the organization? If so, why hasn't the conservative side come out and denounced them? Why haven't the leaders made it clear that these "radical" arms aren't really a part of what BLM is?


For me, it's axiomatic. I don't believe everything negative that random knuckleheads with BLM t-shirts perpetrate needs to be denounced, excused or whatever.

I think rational, disinterested individuals are able to separate those that really abide by the spirit of the movement from those that just want a reason to cause discord and unrest.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 2:54 pm
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8925 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:55 pm to
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I am black

What BLM is supposed to do, is to show everyone that "our lives matter" just as much as everyone else. It is supposed to be about equality, limited unjustly killings, and for police to be held more accountable for their actions. BLM is not supposed to say white livea, or Blue livea dont matter. But rather we are vocusing on black livea at this point in time

That being said, we are not a unified people. So for soooooooo many folks, they act completely hypocritical to what I just said. You have some who truly want to see this world be a better place. But I feel like most just want to see this qorld burn.

It doesnt help that the so called "leaders" are sheep. They use 100% emotion and no logic. So you have a group of people following leaders blindly down the wrong path. The blind leading the blind if you will.



appreciate the response. The leadership does seem to be the issue, letting emotions get the best of them. and I get it, you can only be pushed around so much before you lash out, but I just wish this movement was better organized and better lead because the cause is a just one.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8925 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:55 pm to
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With all due respect, this is asinine. Black on black crime is wholly irrelevant to unjustified police killings, but when you call yourself Black Lives Matter, you're going to rightfully be questioned about statistics like black on black crime. The name is absurd because in a literal sense it is patently false.



That is the truth
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:56 pm to
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I assume you are a christian, do you as a christian denounce the radical religious groups that outwardly hate gays and commit all kinds of other immoral actions that you don't believe in?


Yes. I do actually and I'm not even a practicing Christian.


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The other thing you arent considering is that we are at the mercy of the media.


Every other group on the planet is judged by what is reported by the media. BLM is no different. They don't get special treatment is this regard either.


Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
84782 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:56 pm to
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because the cause is a just one.


It used to be. The original cause is no where to be found in BLM anymore. It cannot be salvaged, particularly under a horrendous name like BLM.
Posted by QJenk
Atl, Ga
Member since Jan 2013
15290 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 2:58 pm to
You my friend are very correct. The problem in America is largely that there is a negative stigma with being black. As a black man, people see me and their initial thoughts is that I am probably a menace or a threat. That is just not true at all.

The reason for this negative stereotype is based on truth. Our communities are crims ridden. Our houses are broken. We kill each other and absolutely no one cares. But let someone else kill us and all of a sudden it is an injustice.

If Black people really want to make a change, it starts with the man in the mirror.
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8925 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:01 pm to
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Every other group on the planet is judged by what is reported by the media. BLM is no different. They don't get special treatment is this regard either.



Thats a dumb statement, if they released a statement denouncing this act or that act as not part of the BLM movement but no media outlets will publish it or give it air time because its a boring story that doesnt create ratings then it doesnt exist? thats lazy.

Also, I am not saying you are wrong on your main point of if they dont agree why dont they denounce. my point is that they cant control it if the media wont report.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 3:03 pm
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:01 pm to
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I don't believe everything negative that random knuckleheads with BLM t-shirts perpetrate needs to be denounced, excused or whatever.


Then you shouldn't be questioning why some people believe the BLM movement isn't one of inclusion and peace.

Show a well-organized and unified front and more people will get on board with the idea that BLM isn't a bunch of uninformed attention seekers. Until then, you're letting people form their own opinions based on what they can see, which is chaotic protests often couple with violence.

Posted by HempHead
Big Sky Country
Member since Mar 2011
55446 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:02 pm to
Posted by RB10
Member since Nov 2010
43811 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:02 pm to
quote:

Thats a dumb statement, if they released a statement denouncing this act or that act as not part of the BLM movement but no media outlets will publish it or give it air time because its a boring story that doesnt create ratings then it doesnt exist? thats lazy.




Sorry you don't like true statements. Media driven opinions are what the entire free world relies on now, that is a fact.
This post was edited on 7/11/16 at 3:04 pm
Posted by Bert Macklin FBI
Quantico
Member since May 2013
8925 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:03 pm to
quote:

Then you shouldn't be questioning why some people believe the BLM movement isn't one of inclusion and peace.

Show a well-organized and unified front and more people will get on board with the idea that BLM isn't a bunch of uninformed attention seekers. Until then, you're letting people form their own opinions based on what they can see, which is chaotic protests often couple with violence.






This is 100% true
Posted by TbirdSpur2010
ALAMO CITY
Member since Dec 2010
134026 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:03 pm to
"End goal"

LULZ
Posted by jdd48
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2012
22079 posts
Posted on 7/11/16 at 3:06 pm to
In BR, the only goal is not to go to jail.

to BRPD, LSP, and the other LEO's that kept control.
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