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re: What is the benefit to driver-less cars?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:35 am to Golfer
Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:35 am to Golfer
Not to be a dick, but people a lot more knowledgeable than you value companies like Uber at $70B for a good reason.
I'll give you a simple example: Imagine the average commuter. He or she drives 20 - 30 minutes every single day both to and from work. That's 40 to 60 minutes per day - or 3 - 4% of a person's entire actual day or 4 - 6% of a person's actual waking day. He or she is currently driving for the entirety of that period and is doing basically nothing else except in certain limited circumstances. Imagine if a company can completely eliminate that expense (and you have to think of it as an expense in the traditional sense) from its workforce. The person has what is essentially a super-advanced mobile phone interface with every tool imaginable on its interface - business apps like Skype for Business, Outlook, 3D videoconferencing, etc. to Netflix and HBOGo to baby cameras for parents to integrated shopping and everything else you could think of under the sun. That is just on the suburban consumer end, and it won't be all that expensive after a few years.
The real, and probably most immediate (like within five to ten years), advances are going to be in the logistics industry and especially within last mile delivery. UPS and FedEx - or whatever their future equivalents will be - will be entirely automated. Hard resources and minerals, construction, food, etc., etc. etc. logistics will all be largely automated probably before 2025.
The U.S. is pretty urban as a populous, so obviously, individual consumer transportation is going to be a massive money-maker. Cars will no longer be necessities in urban living; they will be complete luxuries. Companies like Google or Uber or Ford or whoever are the first few movers are going to dominate that market. If you live in one of the 25 largest metropolises in the country - which more than 40% of the country does - personally-owned vehicles will become increasingly irrelevant as debt and insurance payments (probably especially insurance, in my opinion) will be triple or quadruple or even more the cost of simply whipping up an Uber or other sharing program on your phone in 3 minutes every other day or whatever it would be.
The tech aspects alone - self-reacting sensors, inter-vehicle communication, on and on - are revolutionary. Automated trans is the internet of the next generation. It will radically change the world in ways we probably can't even begin comprehend.
Also, saying as a former soldier, think of the military applications of this sort of thing. You'd probably have 50% fewer deaths (at least) in Iraq and Afghanistan than we did had we had automated vehicles. That alone is worth tens, if not hundreds, of billions.
I'll give you a simple example: Imagine the average commuter. He or she drives 20 - 30 minutes every single day both to and from work. That's 40 to 60 minutes per day - or 3 - 4% of a person's entire actual day or 4 - 6% of a person's actual waking day. He or she is currently driving for the entirety of that period and is doing basically nothing else except in certain limited circumstances. Imagine if a company can completely eliminate that expense (and you have to think of it as an expense in the traditional sense) from its workforce. The person has what is essentially a super-advanced mobile phone interface with every tool imaginable on its interface - business apps like Skype for Business, Outlook, 3D videoconferencing, etc. to Netflix and HBOGo to baby cameras for parents to integrated shopping and everything else you could think of under the sun. That is just on the suburban consumer end, and it won't be all that expensive after a few years.
The real, and probably most immediate (like within five to ten years), advances are going to be in the logistics industry and especially within last mile delivery. UPS and FedEx - or whatever their future equivalents will be - will be entirely automated. Hard resources and minerals, construction, food, etc., etc. etc. logistics will all be largely automated probably before 2025.
The U.S. is pretty urban as a populous, so obviously, individual consumer transportation is going to be a massive money-maker. Cars will no longer be necessities in urban living; they will be complete luxuries. Companies like Google or Uber or Ford or whoever are the first few movers are going to dominate that market. If you live in one of the 25 largest metropolises in the country - which more than 40% of the country does - personally-owned vehicles will become increasingly irrelevant as debt and insurance payments (probably especially insurance, in my opinion) will be triple or quadruple or even more the cost of simply whipping up an Uber or other sharing program on your phone in 3 minutes every other day or whatever it would be.
The tech aspects alone - self-reacting sensors, inter-vehicle communication, on and on - are revolutionary. Automated trans is the internet of the next generation. It will radically change the world in ways we probably can't even begin comprehend.
Also, saying as a former soldier, think of the military applications of this sort of thing. You'd probably have 50% fewer deaths (at least) in Iraq and Afghanistan than we did had we had automated vehicles. That alone is worth tens, if not hundreds, of billions.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 1:38 am
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Posted on 9/6/16 at 1:50 am to AbuTheMonkey
What he said.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:01 am to AbuTheMonkey
Preach it.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 2:18 am to Golfer
My biggest worry would be how it handles less than optimal road conditions.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:31 am to mattz1122
And what is the benefit of that?
You think rednecks are giving up their trucks?
You think soccer moms are giving up their tahoes?
You think teenage sluts are giving up their Jettas?
How many of you who think "not having to drive" would be great are currently using public transportation? (Only referring to the white people here, we know minorities love the bus)
You think rednecks are giving up their trucks?
You think soccer moms are giving up their tahoes?
You think teenage sluts are giving up their Jettas?
How many of you who think "not having to drive" would be great are currently using public transportation? (Only referring to the white people here, we know minorities love the bus)
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 3:34 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:34 am to Jack Daniel
You can nap/fap/or post troll threads on tigerdroppings rather than actually focusing on road.
In the future, traffic will work so much better when every car is able to coordinate movements.
In the future, traffic will work so much better when every car is able to coordinate movements.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 3:35 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:40 am to AZTarheeel
I guess I misunderstood the "not have to drive comment".
I thought you meant everyone was going to start using the ride share self driving cars that are going to replace most every vehicle on the road.
You guys are under the impression that everyone is just going to have their own self driving F350s and Minivans, that way we can just be in a constant state of shite faced-ness or staring at our "screens". What a fricked up terrible world.
The whole point of self driving cars is to replace people owning vehicles. Ride sharing the self driving cars like ubers and taxis is the ultimate goal. Saves money, better for environment, replace parking lots with parks, etc.
I thought you meant everyone was going to start using the ride share self driving cars that are going to replace most every vehicle on the road.
You guys are under the impression that everyone is just going to have their own self driving F350s and Minivans, that way we can just be in a constant state of shite faced-ness or staring at our "screens". What a fricked up terrible world.
The whole point of self driving cars is to replace people owning vehicles. Ride sharing the self driving cars like ubers and taxis is the ultimate goal. Saves money, better for environment, replace parking lots with parks, etc.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 3:43 am to AZTarheeel
I am half drunk and had a few xanax though, so I would love one fo those self driving cars about now!
Posted on 9/6/16 at 4:28 am to Jack Daniel
When human driven cars become illegal.
Rush's Red Barchetta from 1981
Rush's Red Barchetta from 1981
quote:
My uncle has a country place
That no one knows about
He says it used to be a farm Before the Motor Law
And now on Sundays I elude the eyes
And hop the turbine freight
To far outside the wire where my
White-haired uncle waits
Jump to the ground as the turbo slows
To cross the borderline
Run like the wind as excitement shivers
Up and down my spine
But down in his barn
My uncle preserved for me
An old machine
For fifty-odd years
To keep it as new
Has been his dearest dream
I strip away the old debris
That hides a shining car
A brilliant Red Barchetta
From a better vanished time
We'll fire up the willing engine
Responding with a roar
Tires spitting gravel I commit my weekly crime
Wind In my hair
Shifting and drifting
Mechanical music
Adrenaline surge
Well-oiled leather
Hot metal and oil
The scented country air
Sunlight on chrome
The blur of the landscape
Every nerve aware
Suddenly ahead of me
Across the mountainside
A gleaming alloy air-car
Shoots towards me two lanes wide
Oh, I spin around with shrieking tires
To run the deadly race
Go screaming through the valley
As another joins the chase
Ride like the wind
Straining the limits
Of machine and man
Laughing out loud with fear and hope
I've got a desperate plan
At the one-lane bridge
I leave the giants stranded
At the riverside
Race back to the farm
To dream with my uncle
At the fireside
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 4:54 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:43 am to Jack Daniel
No women drivers
Posted on 9/6/16 at 6:48 am to Jack Daniel
I don't trust electronics (which can fail) to make a decision when to stop at 70 mph. All it takes is a short or a surge or a solar flare. Hell, there was a 60 Minutes segment on the possibility of your car getting hacked by some sicko who would take joy in seeing a wreck. No thanks.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:11 am to Jack Daniel
Regarding the 'greater productivity'argument: 1) are we simply evolving into a species that spends every last minute of every last day just doing work shite? Damn, evolution must have taken a turn onto that road to nowhere, if that's the case. 2) If it's a bunch of 'mobile technology' that's going to create an environment where all this 'work' is going to become more productive, why do you need to sit in a driver-less car stuck in traffic to do it? I think there is a concept called something like 'tele-commuting' that would work just as well.
Regarding the 'greater safety' argument: stipulated, there are many potential advantages including the elimination of impaired drivers (under the influence, sleep-deprived, stress-overloaded, mentally deficient, etc.) and the adherence to traffic laws and fluid dynamics. HOWEVER, this argument seems to be predicated on the assumption that all vehicles everywhere would become driver-less simultaneously. Because that would obviously not be the case, safety would continue to be contravened by many and itinerant vehicles that would still be manually operated.
Additionally, infrastructure would have to be ideally sculpted and maintained to ensure optimal use of driver-less vehicles. How does all that happen exactly, as I pondr the highways and byways I travel daily with their plethora of potholes and permutations?
Finally, I'm sure that many millennials who could be easily dumbstruck by the likes of a rotary phone and instructions how to use it written in cursive may find this hard to believe but there are no 'perfect technologies', especially micro-processor computing technologies.
I've personally utilized and lived through versions 1.0 of pc and Apple hardware and software through the continuum that has lead to this point in space time. All along the way, the holy grail of infallibility and ever increasing efficiency has always been touted. And in the end, computers continue to fail, software continues to have bugs, security is possibly more negligible now than ever before.
Technological Determinism is an antiquated, backwards, and communistic notion that needs to be inverted: either humans control technology or humanity ceases.
Regarding the 'greater safety' argument: stipulated, there are many potential advantages including the elimination of impaired drivers (under the influence, sleep-deprived, stress-overloaded, mentally deficient, etc.) and the adherence to traffic laws and fluid dynamics. HOWEVER, this argument seems to be predicated on the assumption that all vehicles everywhere would become driver-less simultaneously. Because that would obviously not be the case, safety would continue to be contravened by many and itinerant vehicles that would still be manually operated.
Additionally, infrastructure would have to be ideally sculpted and maintained to ensure optimal use of driver-less vehicles. How does all that happen exactly, as I pondr the highways and byways I travel daily with their plethora of potholes and permutations?
Finally, I'm sure that many millennials who could be easily dumbstruck by the likes of a rotary phone and instructions how to use it written in cursive may find this hard to believe but there are no 'perfect technologies', especially micro-processor computing technologies.
I've personally utilized and lived through versions 1.0 of pc and Apple hardware and software through the continuum that has lead to this point in space time. All along the way, the holy grail of infallibility and ever increasing efficiency has always been touted. And in the end, computers continue to fail, software continues to have bugs, security is possibly more negligible now than ever before.
Technological Determinism is an antiquated, backwards, and communistic notion that needs to be inverted: either humans control technology or humanity ceases.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:11 am to Jack Daniel
Have you seen some of the drivers today?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:19 am to Knight of Old
quote:
Regarding the 'greater productivity'argument: 1) are we simply evolving into a species that spends every last minute of every last day just doing work shite? Damn, evolution must have taken a turn onto that road to nowhere, if that's the case. 2) If it's a bunch of 'mobile technology' that's going to create an environment where all this 'work' is going to become more productive, why do you need to sit in a driver-less car stuck in traffic to do it? I think there is a concept called something like 'tele-commuting' that would work just as well.
Regarding the 'greater safety' argument: stipulated, there are many potential advantages including the elimination of impaired drivers (under the influence, sleep-deprived, stress-overloaded, mentally deficient, etc.) and the adherence to traffic laws and fluid dynamics. HOWEVER, this argument seems to be predicated on the assumption that all vehicles everywhere would become driver-less simultaneously. Because that would obviously not be the case, safety would continue to be contravened by many and itinerant vehicles that would still be manually operated.
Additionally, infrastructure would have to be ideally sculpted and maintained to ensure optimal use of driver-less vehicles. How does all that happen exactly, as I pondr the highways and byways I travel daily with their plethora of potholes and permutations?
Finally, I'm sure that many millennials who could be easily dumbstruck by the likes of a rotary phone and instructions how to use it written in cursive may find this hard to believe but there are no 'perfect technologies', especially micro-processor computing technologies.
I've personally utilized and lived through versions 1.0 of pc and Apple hardware and software through the continuum that has lead to this point in space time. All along the way, the holy grail of infallibility and ever increasing efficiency has always been touted. And in the end, computers continue to fail, software continues to have bugs, security is possibly more negligible now than ever before.
Technological Determinism is an antiquated, backwards, and communistic notion that needs to be inverted: either humans control technology or humanity ceases.
TLDR:
GET OFF MY LAWN!!!
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:41 am to Jack Daniel
frick this. I like driving, as do many others.
Basically, the existence if one manual driver could frick up everything.
And, I still want to know what that car is going to do when it detects a group of BLM protesters blocking the road.
Basically, the existence if one manual driver could frick up everything.
And, I still want to know what that car is going to do when it detects a group of BLM protesters blocking the road.
This post was edited on 9/6/16 at 8:03 am
Posted on 9/6/16 at 7:56 am to Jack Daniel
If this isn't a troll attempt please shoot yourself in the face. If it is a troll attempt, please shoot yourself in the face. Thanks 
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:43 am to Knight of Old
quote:
Regarding the 'greater safety' argument: stipulated, there are many potential advantages including the elimination of impaired drivers (under the influence, sleep-deprived, stress-overloaded, mentally deficient, etc.) and the adherence to traffic laws and fluid dynamics. HOWEVER, this argument seems to be predicated on the assumption that all vehicles everywhere would become driver-less simultaneously.
No one is claiming that all vehicles everywhere would become driver-less simultaneously. Care to link anything that backs up that premise?
Posted on 9/6/16 at 8:58 am to Jack Daniel
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:01 am to Jack Daniel
The thing is, self driving cars don't really have to be perfect to be a success. They just have to be better than human drivers. And statistically, that's not really that difficult. Human drivers are really bad at driving.
Posted on 9/6/16 at 9:02 am to mattz1122
quote:I like to drive.
you don't have to drive.
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