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re: What Do You Think Happens After Death?

Posted on 6/20/23 at 7:46 pm to
Posted by LSUFan102322
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 7:46 pm to
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Posted by molsusports
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 7:51 pm to
Well I hope to live a long a productive life with people I love. But oblivion seems like a reality.

With reflection I don't think anything about me is truly immutable. If all of my components (including essential parts of my character) change during my lifetime? I can't make much of an argument for my permanence even in the decades I will be alive.

Whatever meaningful influence I have on others may persist in some fashion and that would be potentially good. In a optimistic potential future that would contribute to the betterment of others and the carcass of my thoughts and character would have meaningfully advanced what follows.
Posted by WaydownSouth
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 7:56 pm to
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It's hard to comprehend, but it's what we all experienced before our own birth.


This is why I no longer get existential crisis’.

Used to get them alot when I was living by myself in grad school.

Come to accept that I didn’t ask to be put here. The fact that I’m alive is a miracle in itself. Just going to try to make my offspring to be better people than I was and try to leave earth in a better place than I found it
Posted by andouille
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 7:57 pm to
They strip the bed, change the sheets and admit another patient.
Posted by Grievous Angel
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:03 pm to
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Come to accept that I didn’t ask to be put here. The fact that I’m alive is a miracle in itself. Just going to try to make my offspring to be better people than I was and try to leave earth in a better place than I found it

Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:03 pm to
Matter and Energy are not destroyed. They just change form.

First off, you need 3 days undisturbed so your life force can fully withdraw in an orderly fashion. This makes the transition much more orderly. Hopefully in a cooler somewhere.

Your guides will bring you to a “place” where you can unpack all the lessons of your past life.

The more you accomplished, the more people you impacted, the longer it will take. Maybe a few hundred or more earth years. But that’s ok. Time is not the same over there.

If you had a short embodiment or did nothing, maybe not so long. Less to unpack.

Once lessons are learned sufficiently, you get to try again. Usually picking familiar bloodlines but not always. Maybe you decide to have the experience of an untouchable in India. It is really up to you, based how well you have positioned yourself in past lives with good works and activities.

Souls like a Hitler may be 1000’s of years before deemed to learn the lessons and allowed to return to attempt to right their wrongs. Or maybe never.

But the lessons of the past lives become encapsulated as your instincts and tendencies in the the next life. Pay attention to them and nurture them.

People you fight with online are the same entities you did not get along with in the past. Nothing really changes, without effort in the present. Personal growth. Your choice.

In the end, you chose your destiny by your actions and desires. You choose the time to come back. You chose your parents for the lessons or bad examples you seek.

Your birthmarks show where your previous mortal wound occurred. Don’t let that happen again, k?

It’s a complex system, this soul mechanism we are blessed with. Don’t waste it. Grow. Develop. Create value in this world.

Then when you next shed this mortal coil, the adventure only gets better. Best of luck!
Posted by Chromdome35
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:08 pm to
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It is a tough pill to swallow but I think your consciousness just ceases to exist.

IMO every theory that has one's consciousness extend beyond the body's death is just a crutch.

Your life is precious make the most of every second and do your best to make other people's lives better while your candle is burning.


This

You had no consciousness before you were born, you will have none after you pass.

Lights out, the end, nothingness...period.

That's a hard concept to reconcile with Christianity and the concept of Heaven and Hell, I certainly struggle with it. On one hand, it could be argued that Christianity is just a man-made construct that was used to control the behavior of the population through time. On the other, its all real, and I'm possibly going to hell for questioning it.
Posted by AUstar
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:14 pm to
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you're making my point though. we were 'dead' for billions of years, but we time skipped all of it, and from our own experience/perspective, instantly emerged into this life form. this, happening again and again is probably all there is to it.


Now you're getting philosophical and we must define what "self" means. Who are you and how do you define being you? If I make a machine that can output perfect copies of an object and I make a perfect copy of you (down to every atom) is it still "you?" Scientists would probably say yes, but some philosophers might not.

What I am getting at is how do we know "you" are being reincarnated? Most certainly your atoms will not emerge again in their same exact state.

Or will they? This is a question Ludwig Boltzmann tackled back in the 1800's. He postulated something called "Boltzmann brains" which is a phenomenon that emerges out of the laws of thermodynamics. Basically he said that if you wait long enough, atoms will randomly come together and form a human brain. Who is that human brain? If the atoms in the brain are arranged identically to your brain, then it could be "you" emerging spontaneously. Kind of an unsettling concept.

Before you get your hopes up, the universe will not last long enough for this to happen. We only have about 5-10 billion years left before most stars burn out.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:17 pm
Posted by Geekboy
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:17 pm to
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i feel people never really

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once you're dead i think

So you think and feel certain things about dying.
What drew you to these conclusions? Any evidence to share?
Or are these just you own personal fantasies or what you hope happens?

There are some writings about Heaven and Hell that a whole lot of people have believed throughout the ages and feel the same today…..for some reason.
What led you away from these thoughts (or fantasies)?

Too much traditional bullshite for you? Tired of the same old? Bucking the trend?
Do you feel comfortable and relaxed with your perception on what happens after death? Your thoughts are very detailed.

Was wondering what it was specifically that led you to these conclusions.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:27 pm to
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it could be argued that Christianity is just a man-made construct that was used to control the behavior of the population through time



The optimistic point of view would be many elements of Christian faith are parts of essential human truth. That doesn't endorse the literal stories but the moral lessons embedded seem to have a lot of sound social structure.

The best evidence for that might be that cultures without dominant religion seem to rapidly replace religious faith with other systems which are more haphazard and often as easily or more easily abused by authoritarians.

It isn't necessarily as simple as saying religion is always a net good or inherently better than all of the structural alternatives. But a system that has been able to coexist with and possibly nourish stable societies in which flourishing occurs more easily? That seems to have some demonstrated utility and attacking it strictly because it isn't the literal inerrant word of God may miss the point.

TLDR Bill Burr riffing on the belief system

Bill Burr
Posted by Jumpinjack
Member since Oct 2021
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:30 pm to
Rumor has it I still get to vote. But not necessarily by my choice for candidate.
Posted by blueridgeTiger
Granbury, TX
Member since Jun 2004
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:31 pm to
I'm beginning to wonder myself. I'm almost 82 so I guess I better get all my ducks in a row.
Posted by molsusports
Member since Jul 2004
36166 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:35 pm to
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beginning to wonder myself. I'm almost 82 so I guess I better get all my ducks in a row



Old joke:


Q: Why are there so many old people in church?



A: They are cramming for the final examination
Posted by Chromdome35
NW Arkansas
Member since Nov 2010
6888 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:36 pm to
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The optimistic point of view would be many elements of Christian faith are parts of essential human truth. That doesn't endorse the literal stories but the moral lessons embedded seem to have a lot of sound social structure.

But a system that has been able to coexist with and possibly nourish stable societies in which flourishing occurs more easily? That seems to have some demonstrated utility and attacking it strictly because it isn't the literal inerrant word of God may miss the point.



Agreed, at the end of the day, the tenets and values of Christianity are a net positive for the functioning of a civilized society.
Posted by Ross
Member since Oct 2007
47824 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:38 pm to
This site needs a philosophy board.

I’d say one’s answers to the unresolved mind-body problem and hard problem of consciousness will likely paint most of the picture of what they believe to be required for human experience and for the sense of self to exist, and ultimately, what prospects are even possible upon the termination of the body.
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:38 pm to
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i've questioned my beliefs, and i'm not sure why i lean reincarnation except that its more logical than oblivion or anything presented in a religion.


So, you don’t believe in “religion” but you do believe in reincarnation? How do you think reincarnation happens? What causes it? There has to be something, some force, entity, or something, that makes something that’s dead somehow become alive again as a completely different being. Without a religious explanation, how is reincarnation possible?
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:39 pm
Posted by Bullfrog
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:44 pm to
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that makes something that’s dead somehow become alive again as a completely different being.
Yo Darth. Not how it works. You leave this body behind and return from whence you came.

The answers you seek are out there. Don’t stop looking.

You are a soul having a human experience.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:47 pm
Posted by Darth_Vader
A galaxy far, far away
Member since Dec 2011
65022 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:53 pm to
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Yo Darth. Not how it works. You leave this body behind and return from whence you came.


I’m just trying to understand how he believes in reincarnation but not religion. And if we return to somewhere when we die, where is that place? What is that place? How did that place come to exist? How did we come to exist in that place? How did we come here? What brought us here? And how will we return to that place?
Posted by KennabraTiger
Kenner, LA
Member since Sep 2013
6583 posts
Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:57 pm to
If it’s reincarnation, I’m doing whatever the frick I want in the next life
Posted by Bullfrog
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Member since Jul 2010
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Posted on 6/20/23 at 8:57 pm to
I’ve spent roughly 30 years searching and am comfortable with the answers.

You should do the same. There’s a lot to unlearn and a lot to learn.
This post was edited on 6/20/23 at 8:58 pm
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