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re: What can realistically be done about the surge in volent crime in American cities?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:52 am to frequent flyer
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:52 am to frequent flyer
A time machine would help a lot.
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Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:52 am to OGTiger
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Follow the example of countries that do not have the same problems, i.e. Singapore.
I, for one, want to be nothing like Singapore lmfao
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:54 am to frequent flyer
Nothing honestly. I hate to even think this out loud but I suspect it will get worse in the coming months
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:55 am to frequent flyer
Birmingham had 7 shooting deaths over the Labor Day weekend.
Press conferences will be held, politicians will release statements condemning the violence, yet nothing will actually change.
Press conferences will be held, politicians will release statements condemning the violence, yet nothing will actually change.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 9:56 am to 3nOut
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elect DAs that don't believe in restorative justice.
Honestly this seems to be one of the biggest causes these days. Leftist crime and prison reform is a scourge on society. It seems like more and more crimes like these are committed by people who should already (or still) be in prison. Had Memphis kept this a-hole locked up for more than 11 fricking months for attempted murder, multiple people yesterday would not have died.
And shite like that also pushes away cops from doing what they are supposed to do. I'm not saying it's right or justified, but it feels like cops care less when they know whomever they arrest either won't be prosecuted properly, or won't serve jail time (or very little). So it's almost like what's the point.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:04 am to sabes que
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The actual rate can be seen on tangible things like murder, which is way down.
The only reason the murder rate is down is because medical science and in particular hospital trauma units have improved by leaps and bounds.
Every summer we hear stories like 75 people were shot or stabbed in Chicago this weekend and 9 died. That's because a team of medevacs and trauma surgeons put humpty dumpty back together again. 50 years ago most of those people would have died and half of them would have bled out on the sidewalk waiting an hour for an ambulance to arrive.
It's only murder if someone dies. If you look at it from a weird angle these heroic surgeons and medical innovators are keeping a bunch of criminals from being locked up for the rest of their lives where they belong.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:05 am to frequent flyer
Two words:
Judge Dredd
Judge Dredd
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:11 am to CocomoLSU
If you are going to have the death penalty then use it. I don't mean 20 years later. Do it within a year of conviction and allow one appeal. If caught in the act with evidence then do within a month. I guarantee that will stop all these shootings in their tracts.
Drug dealers get a minimum 10 year sentence on first offense and life there after.
Rapist and sex offenders get automatic life sentences.
Drug dealers get a minimum 10 year sentence on first offense and life there after.
Rapist and sex offenders get automatic life sentences.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:15 am to frequent flyer
Well the authoritarian media could try not gaslighting crime for an entire year and defunding police for communities that need (and want) them the most.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:15 am to FightinTigersDammit
It will have a large chunk of the public needs to regain their sense of morality, and raise their children to be moral people.
Back in the day, the church helped to develop morality.
But like all of our institutions, the church has fallen.
There will have to be another Great Awakening.
Throughout American history, there have been these GA movements. This Forth Turning may bring another...
Back in the day, the church helped to develop morality.
But like all of our institutions, the church has fallen.
There will have to be another Great Awakening.
Throughout American history, there have been these GA movements. This Forth Turning may bring another...
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:15 am to CocomoLSU
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Honestly this seems to be one of the biggest causes these days. Leftist crime and prison reform is a scourge on society. It seems like more and more crimes like these are committed by people who should already (or still) be in prison. Had Memphis kept this a-hole locked up for more than 11 fricking months for attempted murder, multiple people yesterday would not have died.
Some people understand that you need a carrot. Some people understand that you need a stick. Most rational people understand that you need both to really influence behavior.
Not having an effective carrot dooms the criminal and solidifies them as a permanent member of the underclass and increases the likelihood that they become repeat offenders. Not having the stick dooms the community, neighborhoods, and causes a mass exodus of taxpayers from the city - which creates a situation where there is less funding for schools, social programs, and police protection. Criminals continue their activities when they scoff at the penalties. You have to have a stick - that's what Rudy Giuliani had in NYC in the 1980s as SDNY. He was criticized for not having a carrot - but that's not his fricking job.
Only people bent on destroying society actively work to eliminate the stick. A concerted effort to fund the campaigns of activist DA's bent on handing out light penalties for minority criminals. For some reason, Democratic party leadership went from advocating for funding for social programs that could help felons improve their chances in life to doing that + fighting any penalties for even violent crime. They used to advocate for the carrot, but now they want to remove the stick.
Somehow they've convinced voters that not wanting to see people imprisoned for non-violent drug offenses translated to not wanting to see people imprisoned for violent crime, held without bail for things like murder or rape, etc.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 10:18 am
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:17 am to CocomoLSU
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Honestly this seems to be one of the biggest causes these days. Leftist crime and prison reform is a scourge on society. It seems like more and more crimes like these are committed by people who should already (or still) be in prison
in the past, i worked with a ministry that worked actively to bring stable black men around youth from section 8 and the wrong side of the tracks.
Taught them job interviewing skills, handyman skills, gardening, brought in military recruiters, etc.
main goal was to present the gospel, but the secondary goal was to let teenagers see a stable black male role model and break the cycle of fatherless homes. I want all those kids to come to a saving knowledge of Christ, but if just half of them don't go into a life of crime and stick around their children, i consider it a massive success.
The lady running it was fairly liberal, but we wholesale believed the same thing and could put most of that aside and i consider it an honor to have helped some. Several kids have gone on to college or joined the military and one just got into west point.
THAT BEING SAID... they had a unity rally (not a BLM rally) in 2020 and i attended in support of her ministry. it was mostly tame and something anybody on this board could get behind.
then she got up and spoke about restorative justice and how even though these kids had committed crimes, they weren't adults and can't consent to actually commit crime.
WTF. One of them killed somebody. 3 of them carjacked and wrecked multiple cars. Several had drug trafficking charges. I get not wanting to ruin their life and make crime the only option for them moving forward, but if we don't make punishment an option, the positive incentives aren't going to outweigh the immediate gratification of drugs and violence.
i don't view anybody as irredeemable and am against the death penalty, but this whole mode we're in right now aint it.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:19 am to frequent flyer
Crime is up because DA’s, sheriffs, police chiefs, and judges are being elected/appointed based on an agenda to reduce prison population. They do this by refusing to charge or convict criminals as well as give them the shortest allowable sentences. It only takes one link in that chain to have an agenda to cause the entire system to unravel.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:19 am to Cosmo
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Stop incentivizing single mothers to keep having kids
Which is why I'm pro choice.
The less of those rat bastards my taxes have to support, the better.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:22 am to 3nOut
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then she got up and spoke about restorative justice and how even though these kids had committed crimes, they weren't adults and can't consent to actually commit crime.
Stealing something or getting into trouble is one thing. I'm okay with getting them into programs to help them back on the right path since our shitty, progressive public school systems completely fricked them over. But they have to go through with it and demonstrate consistent good behavior or they can go right back to juvie.
Murder, rape, armed robbery, kidnapping, possession of illegal weapons, and carjacking....that's a damn clear sign that the person is lost. At that point you have to look after society and keep them separated from the rest of us.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:24 am to frequent flyer
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What can realistically be done about the surge in volent crime in American cities?
More cops. But honestly, hothing is going to change in a major way until these communities change in a major way. As long as we have a large group of people in single parent homes (many times with no actual parent in the home) and not instilling in the youth the importance of at least graduating high school, we're not going to make progress. We can be as hard on crime as we want, but the problems are only going to continue perpetuating themselves until things change at home. Look at the ages of these criminals. So many of them are literal children. They have no supervision, horrible parents, no education (as in they just don't go to school), no money, no job, and they live in a culture that doesn't even attempt to deter that type of behavior. What exactly do we think is going to be the byproduct of that?
I was born and raised in Memphis. It breaks my heart to see my hometown in the news all the time. Most of my family still lives in Memphis. It's ridiculous that I have to worry about someone getting shot randomly for no reason because some hoodrat got a wild hair to go shoot some people. And the fricking government doesn't give a shite either, whether it be the at local level or the national level. All they do is make excuses for the behavior instead of possibly offending some people calling a spade a spade. And it's honestly unbelievable the Memphis mayor hasn't said a fricking word after the events that have transpired the past 6 days.
And maybe, just maybe invest our tax dollars back into the community instead of the bloated salaries of local government officials. Public servants' purpose isn't to get rich being public servants. It's to serve the public. Do your jobs!!!
Nah, what we'll see is the liberal DA in Shelby County make an example of these guys to show everyone he's "tough on crime" while letting out guys just like this on the streets every day, and we'll just continue our dive to becoming a third world tribalist shithole.
This post was edited on 9/8/22 at 10:30 am
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:26 am to frequent flyer
what did we do with the huge uptick during the late 70s, the 80s and early 90s?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:27 am to frequent flyer
Is it too late to send them back?
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:28 am to RogerTheShrubber
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The answer is long term incarceration for violent criminals.
And make it a bad place, all the time. Take away TV. Take away weights. Why allow these people to come out larger and more intimidating? Let them fricking wither away. Bring back hard labor.
Posted on 9/8/22 at 10:31 am to 3nOut
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i don't view anybody as irredeemable
plenty of people are irredeemable unfortunately.
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