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Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:50 am to StrongSafety
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Your student loans were still a govt handout becaue you poors couldn't afford college on your own dime
Posted on government paid android phone
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:51 am to CoCo311
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My point had nothing to do with which group does drugs more. My point was, if you are receiving government assistance, you shouldn't have enough money to purchase drugs.
You know, I generally lean conservative/libertarian, but this is where I part ways with them. It's not that I disagree with your OP per se, it's just that I find that most of the anger is, IMO, misplaced. Ultimately, government assistance benefits corporations, who in turn lobby the government for increases in the programs. Just look at SNAP. We can get angry at the poors all we want, but that program is a boondoggle that is in reality noting but a big fat boob for corporations to suck on.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:52 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:Wrong! It is definitely a refund of money put into the economy, which leads to things like employment and property taxes being paid to the gubment.
mortgage interest refunds is kind of a handout
The allowance of welfare abuse (not the helping of victims of unfortunate circumstances- which is the original intent) is the main cause of hoods, where abusers drag down their communities and raise their kids to do the same.
And it will never end.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:54 am to CoCo311
Majority of the aforementioned are actually productive members of society thus the point is null.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:54 am to StrongSafety
quote:Not if you pay them back, you stupid frick.
Your student loans were still a govt handout becaue you poors couldn't afford college on your own dime
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:55 am to SCwTiger
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Wrong! It is definitely a refund of money put into the economy, which leads to things like employment and property taxes being paid to the gubment.
Wat?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:55 am to SCwTiger
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Wrong! It is definitely a refund of money put into the economy, which leads to things like employment and property taxes being paid to the gubment.
WRONG.
It was set up to encourage home ownership, as home owners are more likely to be good citizens.
I agree with what much of the article says. We give out all sorts of shite to all sorts of people but they don't recognize it as gov't benefits. They think they deserve the handout.
Go talk to a farmer about subsidies and they will explain why they have to have them, they will tie it to national security.
Go talk to an old person about medicare and social security, they see it as their fricking right as an american.
the poor are easy to demonize, the reality is almost everyone is sucking off the gov't teat. They just choose to ignore it.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:55 am to Mo Jeaux
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Well, without the break, you'd otherwise owe those taxes.
But you are still paying taxes. It is a net loss of your money to the government. If you are receiving governments benefits as an individual, you are not paying into the system. So the argument in dead on arrival to me.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:57 am to KG6
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But you are still paying taxes. It is a net loss of your money to the government. If you are receiving governments benefits as an individual, you are not paying into the system. So the argument in dead on arrival to me.
poor people pay taxes fwiw.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:57 am to KG6
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But you are still paying taxes. It is a net loss of your money to the government.
So? It's still something that the government has given you.
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If you are receiving governments benefits as an individual, you are not paying into the system.
That's not necessarily true.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:57 am to StrongSafety
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Your student loans were still a govt handout becaue you poors couldn't afford college on your own dime
Feel free to relay this to the government that I'm paying back for that "hand out".
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:58 am to BluegrassBelle
He defaulted on his. Doesn't understand how things like that work.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:59 am to StrongSafety
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Your student loans were still a govt handout becaue you poors couldn't afford college on your own dime
You are one stupid frick.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 11:59 am to BluegrassBelle
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Feel free to relay this to the government that I'm paying back for that "hand out".
Look. I get your point, and I think StrongSaftety was being trollish, but what interest rate are you paying on your loans? What interest rate do you think would otherwise be attributable to those loans had they been originated by a private lender without government subsidization?
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:00 pm to StrongSafety
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Your student loans were still a govt handout becaue you poors couldn't afford college on your own dime
A handout is free. Loans are generally paid back with interest.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:00 pm to Hawkeye95
quote:Because they "paid into the system".
Go talk to an old person about medicare and social security, they see it as their fricking right as an american.
quote:He has skin in the game. He could loose his entire crop, then what good did the subsidies provide?
Go talk to a farmer about subsidies and they will explain why they have to have them, they will tie it to national security.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:01 pm to CoCo311
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We don't drug-test farmers who receive agriculture subsidies (lest they think about plowing while high!).
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:05 pm to Count Chocula
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He has skin in the game. He could loose his entire crop, then what good did the subsidies provide?
Crop insurance covers complete losses. It's actually pretty difficult to lose money as a farmer these days. You can actually claim land that you haven't farmed on as "native sod" and they will pay you to NOT farm on it.
Posted on 4/8/15 at 12:06 pm to Hawkeye95
I know there is abuse in all subsidies, but it is wrong to even compare farmers and homeowners to people whose main goal is to get all the free stuff they can without doing one damn thing. Hell they even have as many children as they can spit out, to maximize their income. Are they not accountable for anything?? Of course not - dey in da struggle.
And as for encouraging home ownership, where is the interest going on a home loan? Banks, that employ people. Taxes are also paid. That is contributing to the economy.
My stand is simple - there are two classes. . . Makers and Takers.
And as for encouraging home ownership, where is the interest going on a home loan? Banks, that employ people. Taxes are also paid. That is contributing to the economy.
My stand is simple - there are two classes. . . Makers and Takers.
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