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re: Walmart wants to go organic; attacks status symbols
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:15 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The Walmart demographics isn't exactly the healthy eating/active lifestyle types.
And they're seen as the ultimate villain to most consumers of organic/whole foods
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Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:20 am to TheOcean
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Amazing might not be how I would describe Wal Mart.
they're awesome. no company has done more for poor people in the past 30 years than walmart
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They'll take some market share and make money. But they would have to completely re-brand themselves (i.e. start new stores) to really do damage in the organic/whole foods market.
why?
i honestly think this has the potential to completely destroy what we consider the organic industry
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:22 am to StraightCashHomey21
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The Walmart demographics isn't exactly the healthy eating/active lifestyle types.
see this varies from region to region
it may not work in south florida, south LA, or DC, but there is a demand for these goods in other urban areas
i see it all the time on MSNBC when they do their stupid "food desert" stories. walmart would just be replacing the NGOs
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:23 am to SlowFlowPro
Well this thread was an interesting read. I'll just say this, you ain't seen shite until you've shopped at a Wegman's, hands down best store there is.
I've seen enough studies to not believe in the certified organic bull crap hype. If you really want to help out and get better food, buy from a local farmer. All the rest is mostly just marketing ploys to get people to pay more with little to no added benefit from the product.
frick Monsanto
I've seen enough studies to not believe in the certified organic bull crap hype. If you really want to help out and get better food, buy from a local farmer. All the rest is mostly just marketing ploys to get people to pay more with little to no added benefit from the product.
frick Monsanto
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:24 am to Antonio Moss
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As far as produced goes, I'm sure organic v. Non-organic probably doesn't make that much of a difference but WF beats other stores on freshness and selection. And the bill between a weekly shop at Albertsons and WF isn't that drastic.
This is why I shop WF for my produce. I was buying my produce from walmart and it was going bad or had mold growing on it within 2 days of being in the refrigerator. My produce I get from WF at least makes it through the week. The price was not that different either. We compared receipts from both stores and found we spend maybe 10 bucks more total buying our produce from WF. I am willing to pay that for a better quality produce.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:25 am to ZacAttack
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I'll just say this, you ain't seen shite until you've shopped at a Wegman's, hands down best store there is.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:25 am to SlowFlowPro
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i honestly think this has the potential to completely destroy what we consider the organic industry
If price was the most important variable for organic/whole foods shoppers, then sure. But there are always going to be a sub set of consumers that refuse to shop at Wal Mart, regardless of the price.
If Wal Mart opened new stores that were strictly organic/whole foods and completely rebranded everything to get rid of the Wal Mart feel, then I could see it work.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:26 am to ZacAttack
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Monsanto
a company that is going to be responsible for saving billions upon billions of lives over the next few decades
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:28 am to SlowFlowPro
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i honestly think this has the potential to completely destroy what we consider the organic industry
Eh, we'll see. Organics aren't going away, but how they're grown is yet to be seen. The thing with organics is that without pesticides, large scale growth is hard to accomplish. Pile a jillion of the same fruit/vegetable into a small area and disease spreads(as with humans).
Organics should, IMHO, be left to smaller scale, locally grown farmers. That not only feeds communities, but pays them as well.
This post was edited on 4/20/14 at 9:29 am
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:28 am to TheOcean
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If price was the most important variable for organic/whole foods shoppers,
for most shoppers, price is always the most important variable
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But there are always going to be a sub set of consumers that refuse to shop at Wal Mart, regardless of the price.
and in the larger picture, that is not a large portion of the population. we're talking like top 10-15%, and i bet in most areas those people do shop at WM (we are just biased b/c we live in areas with ghettos and trailer parks)
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If Wal Mart opened new stores that were strictly organic/whole foods and completely rebranded everything to get rid of the Wal Mart feel,
i have no idea what the "wal mart feel" is, but
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:32 am to SlowFlowPro
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for most shoppers, price is always the most important variable
I would argue outside of the organic/whole foods market, you're correct. But in every market there are luxury items. People will pay more for products that may be of the same quality just for the status. I'm not saying that's what the organic/whole foods market is, but organic/whole foods stores will be just fine competing against Wal Mart's buying power.
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i have no idea what the "wal mart feel" is, but
It's the feel of walking in and out of a wal mart and going from being in a good mood to hating your life. Price isn't everything
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:34 am to TheOcean
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I would argue outside of the organic/whole foods market, you're correct
but you see, the elitists use the higher price as a segregation tool. if that gap is lessened, it is very likely their interest follows
it's kind of like when ratchet people started wearing tommy hilfiger,and that whole trend died with rich people
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It's the feel of walking in and out of a wal mart and going from being in a good mood to hating your life.
the frick?
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:34 am to SlowFlowPro
And to be honest this move by Wal Mart was inevitable with the incredible growth of the organic/whole foods market. It'll be interesting to see what happens, but I think you're emphasizing price way too much.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
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In the same interview, , an organic activist who co-founded the Cornucopia Institute, suggested that Wal-Mart's cost-cutting drive could undermine the ethical values of organic farming. "One of the reasons people are willing to pay more is that they think they're supporting a different ethic, a different animal husbandry model, and that family farmers are being fairly compensated," Kastel says.
This can be rephrased to say, "our marketing is designed to get people to overpay for stuff so we can make a large profit just like the greedy corporations we always vilify".
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:35 am to SlowFlowPro
Never been inside a Wal Mart? I will gladly spend ~10% to shop at other stores to never have to set foot in another Wal Mart again. And I'm broke.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:36 am to ShortyRob
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o we can make a large profit just like the greedy corporations we always vilify".
Or they're actually investing in their stores, consumers, + employees, which is commendable. And some consumers are willing to pay extra for that.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:38 am to TheOcean
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Never been inside a Wal Mart?
plenty. it's a store
the one near the terrace is scary, and i tell people to only go there at night if its' an emergency
the one in SLC is very nice with tons of rich people shopping there
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:38 am to TheOcean
quote:Doesn't have to be the most important variable for all organic shoppers. Just has to be important to many. And, it will be.
If price was the most important variable for organic/whole foods shoppers, then sure.
quote:This subset is unlikely to keep people in business if Walmart sheers a significant percentage of the total consumers. Walmart doesn't need to pull a majority.
But there are always going to be a sub set of consumers that refuse to shop at Wal Mart, regardless of the price.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:39 am to SlowFlowPro
99% of the WMs in FL are absolute trash. If there was more of an "upscale" WM, I would definitely consider shopping there.
Posted on 4/20/14 at 9:40 am to TheOcean
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If there was more of an "upscale" WM, I would definitely consider shopping there.
walmart typically only builds those markets in these areas, fwiw
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