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re: Vote on moving Baton Rouge Zoo, expanding Greenwood Park expected Today
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:45 am to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:45 am to Sasquatch Smash
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But that one poster is right, and goes back to what I said earlier regarding smells and sounds...the NIMBYs wouldn't allow it.
The Audubon Zoo doesn't stink. It's not loud. The neighborhood loves it. If built correctly, it shouldn't have any of these problems.
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Posted on 6/22/17 at 11:45 am to doubleb
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BREC is here to serve our parish first, the needs of our "customers" comes second
When it comes to building a zoo, BREC can't provide a zoo for our parish without the customers to support it. The new location needs to take advantage of the revenue streams which are increased daily admissions and events/parties.
If schools have a zoo that is 20-30 minutes away and easy to get to they will use that over a zoo that takes 1.5 hours to get to in a bus and involves travelling over the pontchartrain both ways.
No one is arguing it will be better than audubon, but it needs to be located in an area that convinces more people to not to travel all the way to NOLA.
I'm not against city park for what it is worth, I'm just mot sure it has the space. It would be great to have it next to the children's museum though.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:01 pm to kingbob
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The Audubon Zoo doesn't stink.
With some of those sewage problems Uptown, who would notice, right? Haha.
The potential is there for animal and animal waste smells. That's all I meant.
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It's not loud.
Maybe not all the time or every animal, but certain things can get loud. But maybe you're right, especially with modern updates on facilities. Not to mention most of the zoo runs along railroad tracks that run along the River and has a huge park on another side.
Doesn't exactly butt up to many residences. Just have to keep the noisy creatures away from the residential side there for the most part, which could also go back to smells.
Ask some of those railroad guys if they like sitting on an engine at night near the zoo.
Whereas, if BREC's Zoo were to hypothetically move to City Park, it would be surrounded by houses on three sides, right?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:05 pm to kingbob
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The Audubon Zoo doesn't stink.
The Audubon Zoo isn't run by BREC.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:08 pm to doubleb
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while folks around Baker and the present area want the zoo where it is so why force feed this thing on people who don't want it in there neighborhood?
The folks in the area have just been trained to scream 'racism' no matter what.
I'll bet you if you reversed the situation, and for some reason there was a run-down zoo in SBR, and they wanted to rebuild it in NBR (cheaper land), this exact same group of people would turn NIMBY and start screaming "We don't want your smelly animals in OUR neighborhood! First you treat us like a zoo, then you threaten to MOVE the zoo here you racists!"
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:08 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Whereas, if BREC's Zoo were to hypothetically move to City Park, it would be surrounded by houses on three sides, right?
Only on 1 side and there's already a railroad running right down the middle of the golf course.
To the north is the art museum and tennis courts as a buffer.
The the west is the dog park, interstate, and children's museum as a buffer.
To the south is the lake.
Only on the East side would it be right across the street from people's homes.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:10 pm to trom83
Seriously never knew we had an animal sanctuary.
Always though 'zoo' comments were in jest aimed at NBR.
Btw, why is it called the BR Zoo if it's in Baker?
I say move it where white people can use it and re-locate the sewage treatment plant on Nicholson to NBR to appease their councilmen.
Always though 'zoo' comments were in jest aimed at NBR.
Btw, why is it called the BR Zoo if it's in Baker?
I say move it where white people can use it and re-locate the sewage treatment plant on Nicholson to NBR to appease their councilmen.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:12 pm to Womski
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re-locate the sewage treatment plant on Nicholson to NBR to appease their councilmen.
The sewer plant at Gardere was recently expanded so that the Sewer plant near Nicholson can be shut down and re-developed.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:12 pm to kingbob
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They should not be voting on whether or not to move the zoo before the public knows where they would be moving to.
This is just the BREC board voting. When they request another property tax increase to pay for moving the zoo, the parish will vote on it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:13 pm to Womski
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Btw, why is it called the BR Zoo if it's in Baker?
It's not in Baker. It's in unincorporated north EBR Parish.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:14 pm to Creamer
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When it comes to building a zoo, BREC can't provide a zoo for our parish without the customers to support it
Taxpayers will support the zoo, the "customers" help offset the "load".
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If schools have a zoo that is 20-30 minutes away and easy to get to they will use that over a zoo that takes 1.5 hours to get to in a bus and involves travelling over the pontchartrain both ways.
Some will choose the closer place, but others will take the longer drive to a better zoo just as they are doing now.
And you are saying it would be a 20-30 minute drive to the new location, and we have no idea where that new location is. It may be longer than that, it may be shorter than that because we don't know where the planned zoo would be.
That alone should raise an eyebrow.
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No one is arguing it will be better than audubon, but it needs to be located in an area that convinces more people to not to travel all the way to NOLA.
Location is part of the puzzle, sure; however if you can save 20-30 million dollars renovating the old one, how many extra "customers" would you need to have to offset the extra cost? You have to consider everything, not just the number of out of parish visitors, etc.
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I'm not against city park for what it is worth, I'm just mot sure it has the space. It would be great to have it next to the children's museum though.
I could be wrong, but I believe there use to be a small zoo at City Park, or some kind of animal attraction. If you could start from scratch and City Park was just raw land having a zoo, a museum, art galleries, etc. there makes good sense.
But City Park has evolved over time to suit the community needs. The Zoo (or whatever it was closed), the baseball diamond is gone, things were added, the gold course changed, etc.
I don't know if a zoo would work there, but I think the cost and public opinion would be against it.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:16 pm to kingbob
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The sewer plant at Gardere was recently expanded so that the Sewer plant near Nicholson can be shut down and re-developed
I wonder how much that cost us?
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:16 pm to LSUBoo
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It's not in Baker. It's in unincorporated north EBR Parish.
Correct, Baker surrounds it on three sides, BR the other.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:17 pm to doubleb
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I wonder how much that cost us?
Probably not as much as the arse-load of property and sales taxes the city will rake in from all of the mixed use developments along Nicholson that are being made contingent on the closure of that sewer plant.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:18 pm to trom83
Airline Hwy during the animal transfer
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:19 pm to kingbob
Is it close enough to the black part of town to raise issue? I hasn't heard anyone raise hell.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:22 pm to saint tiger225
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Seriously, frick every politician that wants to force money into NBR. It's a shite hole and will remain a shite hole until the people of that community actually start giving a damn about themselves, first and foremost, among many other problems.
This....time and again we see certain areas and neighborhoods that were safe to raise a family a few years back, now just run down. The people that cause this then want someone from outside that community to come in and put it back like it was! It's just a cycle that will be repeated over and over until BR is totally lost!
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:23 pm to Womski
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Is it close enough to the black part of town to raise issue? I hasn't heard anyone raise hell.
The old sewer plant is in a run-down industrial neighborhood that borders a black neighborhood which is on the verge of rapid gentrification. The property around it became blighted due to the smell back when it was built. It stands between LSU and Downtown along River Road, just across the railroad tracks from the property where the River District is supposed to go.
The South Sewer plant was built in the 90's near Gardere. It sits on the boundary of black and white neighborhoods and is very close to the Laberge Casino. It has been expanded to accommodate the closure of the central plant along Nicholson.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:24 pm to kingbob
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there's already a railroad running right down the middle of the golf course.
That's not really relevant to the point I was making in regards to Audubon.
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To the north is the art museum and tennis courts as a buffer.
Oh...we're keeping the tennis courts?
Still under 650' away, at the greatest distance, from homes to the North on Magnolia and Perkins (using the green that is even with the Clubhouse/museum).
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The the west is the dog park, interstate, and children's museum as a buffer.
And what about that neighborhood to the west of Dalrymple (E. Washington St.)?
Oh...apparently City Park is on the National Register of Historic Places. Probably a no go just because of that.
Posted on 6/22/17 at 12:24 pm to Womski
It really is unicorporated EBRP or some people call it Brownsfield.
It was built there at a time BR was developing well in this area. Plank Road / Airline Hwy area was booming and Baker was a good middle class area to live. At one time you paid a premium if you wanted to buy a house across from Istrouma which was further South down Airline Hwy. The Plank road and Airline Hwy area was a growing area.
Back in the old people cracka days Brec owned the property. They actually kept the animals in cages behind where the present day zoo is in Greenwood Park. They probably built the zoo as least expensive as possible.
Unfortunately, the area changed for the worse. No one is moving to Baker unless they do not care about the school system and they want a cheap house. To get to the area you have to go through Scotlandville which is not a road trip it is an adventure.
No, matter what Fat boy Gravy or anyone else thinks I think the board made up their mind. This is just a go through the motions to make the vote legal on the books.
It was built there at a time BR was developing well in this area. Plank Road / Airline Hwy area was booming and Baker was a good middle class area to live. At one time you paid a premium if you wanted to buy a house across from Istrouma which was further South down Airline Hwy. The Plank road and Airline Hwy area was a growing area.
Back in the old people cracka days Brec owned the property. They actually kept the animals in cages behind where the present day zoo is in Greenwood Park. They probably built the zoo as least expensive as possible.
Unfortunately, the area changed for the worse. No one is moving to Baker unless they do not care about the school system and they want a cheap house. To get to the area you have to go through Scotlandville which is not a road trip it is an adventure.
No, matter what Fat boy Gravy or anyone else thinks I think the board made up their mind. This is just a go through the motions to make the vote legal on the books.
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