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re: Tornado! Threat Clearing Louisiana

Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:13 pm to
Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:13 pm to
There is something about these dates and tornado outbreaks. Obviously one particular outbreak in this date period takes the cake.
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 5:14 pm
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:15 pm to
quote:

There is something about these dates and tornado outbreaks. Obviously one particular outbreak in this date period takes the cake.

not to bring up bad memories... but since you brought it up

Posted by Roll Tide Ravens
Birmingham, AL
Member since Nov 2015
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:16 pm to
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WTH should I believe you can possibly predict 7 days from today? you people can't forecast tomorrow unless a high pressure system moves in today. Then, at best, you're half right on your predictions.

These are not predictions, these are simply outlooks. They are just a thought of where we may have severe weather in the next several days. They are points of discussion. They aren't predictions and everyone who actually knows anything about weather forecasting knows that these things can absolutely change.
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
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Posted on 4/24/17 at 5:17 pm to
Day 5 is interesting to me

I work in intercollegiate athletics in Alexandria and we have a pretty big baseball series here on Fri.-Sat.

maybe we should be thinking of moving the schedule around

ETA: I don't understand the downvote... these forecasts are of major importance to me both personally and professionally
This post was edited on 4/24/17 at 10:40 pm
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
19807 posts
Posted on 4/24/17 at 10:06 pm to
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first time I've seen Ventrice's severe index pop up outside of work


Here is what it ginned up for Sunday...



It seems to do ok and I would be interested in seeing him do a paper on it. There is an experimental tornado forecast based off of GEFS reforecast and analogs that often shows similar results to the WSI one. However, the WSI is svr wx and the GEFS reforecast is for tornadoes. Here is what it shows for the upcoming period:



Basically, anything that can time up RWP in MAM is going to show some skill in predicting svr wx. Then going a step out beyond those, work focused on the MJO and GWO/AAM also show some promise but the models still struggle with both of those in the longer range.
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:33 am to
quote:

It seems to do ok and I would be interested in seeing him do a paper on it.


He's standing right behind me. I'll show him this thread
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:56 am to
He got a good laugh out of it... apparently it's something that he hasn't spent a whole lot of time on in the last year and hasn't done any kind of comprehensive study with. I've used it to forecast convection in Asia to some success but haven't verified it against actual severe weather, only incidences of aviation-relevant convection.
Posted by okietiger
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 10:57 am to
Great.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 12:42 pm to
New outlook for today is Enhanced risk for Oklahoma today, primarily for hail, then an enhnced risk tomorrow for Arkansas. Day 4 and 5 have been given a 30% chance for severe thunderstorms for Arkansas and Oklahoma for Day 4 and Northern Louisiana and Eastern Texas for Day 5. I'll let the real experts chime in for what kind of mode of ever weather.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:15 pm to
we spent alot of time looking at the outlook for north louisiana for tomorrow in class today. looks like theres gonna be a pretty decent cap in place but if its able to get erroded away shite could get serious in a hurry. looks like the heaviest risk for severe will be in south central arkansas.
Posted by DoUrden
UnderDark
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:16 pm to
Why did I move to OK.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:16 pm to
quote:

first time I've seen Ventrice's severe index pop up outside of work

where you work bay?
Posted by baytiger
Boston
Member since Dec 2007
46978 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:42 pm to
I mean I pretty much answered that in this thread
Posted by Woopigsooie20
Me Scusi
Member since Mar 2010
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Posted on 4/25/17 at 1:56 pm to
Models are having a hard time with anything this year. NAM and GFS have totally different scenarios for Oklahoma on Friday.
Posted by Pedro
Geaux Hawks
Member since Jul 2008
33410 posts
Posted on 4/25/17 at 2:06 pm to
True I'm just dumb. Hahaha.

Went in a computer lab on campus after posting that and one of my friends had his twitter up looking at those charts.
Posted by lsuman25
Erwinville
Member since Aug 2013
41466 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:10 am to
Moderate Risk today for North Louisiana, Southern Arkansas. 15% hatched tornado risk for that area.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:26 am to
Looking at the GFS and NAM it appears the threat moves south and east in the evening/overnight hours.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
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Posted on 4/26/17 at 1:28 am to
quote:

Moderate Risk today for North Louisiana, Southern Arkansas. 15% hatched tornado risk for that area.










quote:

...SUMMARY...
Severe thunderstorms are expected across the Lower Mississippi
Valley Wednesday. Tornadoes, large hail, and damaging winds should
focus from northeast Texas across southern Arkansas and northern
Louisiana primarily during the afternoon hours. Isolated severe
thunderstorms may extend as far north as Illinois and into the
central Gulf States during the overnight hours.

...Lower MS Valley...

Early-morning water vapor/radar imagery depict a well defined upper
circulation over northeast NM shifting east-southeast in line with
late-evening model guidance. High-level flow is increasing across
the southern Rockies and 500mb speeds on the order of 75kt will
translate into central TX later today. This feature will induce
significant mid-level height falls across the lower MS Valley and
encourage strengthening LLJ over LA/AR by 18z.

26/00z observed soundings across TX depict very steep mid-level
lapse rates, on the order of 8.5-9 c/km, and this lapse-rate plume
should spread across the Arklatex region prior to convective
development. Current thinking is thunderstorms will struggle to
develop across much of TX due to significant CINH and this should
allow air mass to destabilize across the MDT risk region as surface
temperatures warm to near 80F with near 70F dew points. Forecast
NAM soundings by early afternoon depict SBCAPE in excess of 3000
J/kg across northeast TX where convection should initiate prior to
frontal passage. Shear profiles strongly favor supercells, though
mid-level height falls and slightly backed mid-level flow could
eventually lead to a more complex MCS as the trough ejects toward
the Mid-south after dark. Very large hail could accompany the
supercells across the Arklatex region and tornadoes appear possible.
Strong/severe convection should spread into the central Gulf States
during the evening/overnight hours as entrance region of upper jet
shifts into this region during the latter half of the period.
Posted by GEAUXmedic
Premium Member
Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:03 am to
First watch of the day.


Posted by GEAUXmedic
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Member since Nov 2011
41598 posts
Posted on 4/26/17 at 6:04 am to
Looks like we have round 2 Saturday/Sunday


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